Sea Moon makes Australia debut - meets Masked Marvel, too

Didn`t the stiff 6f at Ascot almost catch Luke Nolan and Black Caviar out?

Lucky for them that Peter Moody was such a supreme master at training speed horses for stamina!..In typical Australian fantasy he also claimed he could have trained her to be a champion miler. Supreme masters these Australians.

Far be it for me to suggest our Antipodean friend can't read but Moonlight Cloud has NEVER won over 6f

Bbbbbuuut Megsy says Moonlight Cloud won 4 times over 6f and one of those was a 5L win in a Gr1 before running Black Caviar so close

How can we compete with this knowledge? sshhh lets keep it quiet.

hang on onlooker !!!...im amazed stated moonlight cloud was a miler, doesnt that make him a specialist miler ? 

you also said Australian horses can win - and regularly run - from 6 Furlongs to 2 miles"
using your words to twist things. yes it is a fact stayers have won at 6f first up, but not reguulary as you state, and a big yes, they do from 6f first up regualary.
and you of all people know that your stayers have sprinted well in australia first up over short trips.



nirth..well excuse me sunny, a tad over 6f ffs, still sprint distance.

a mate of mine raced a decent mare in the 70's, ran in the  group 1 perth cup over 3200m ( 2 mile) in january,she ran 7 weeks later in the prestige group 1 lightning stakes 1000m (5f)storming home down the centre of the track alone failing by a short half head, a stride past the post she was nearly 2 lens in front, in this race was the cream of australia's sprinters including special who held flemington 5f track record until black caviar claimed the track record. so please dont think im stirring the pot. we do have well educated trainers with a touch of magic here, all the good trainers dont just train in your country ffs.

the horses name was better draw.

nirth..well excuse me sunny, a tad over 6f ffs, still sprint distance.

I know Australia is big place, but I don't think 1/2 a furlong qualifies as a tad

Your lucky Royal Ascot wasn't "a tad over 6f"

- Megsy

You said Moonlight Cloud won 4 times over 6 furlongs?

I think Mugsy has got a point......quite possible that a stayer can win a gr1 over 6f in OZ.........especially when the rest of field are all stayers.......

storming home down the centre of the track alone failing by a short half head, a stride past the post she was nearly 2 lens in front

what, did the winner start running backwards when it hit the line?

Ok, to make a point, but come on.....

Ima_mazed66

Clueless Aussie trainers.


Ridiculous generalism by a wordy, serial shhitdribbler.



Then has the gall to say  "Your argument falls down.........."

Imamazdabongovan, take a good, hard look in the mirror. Pitiful.

and for any of you who aren't retarded I'll repeat myself and offer you this in the hope it may save you wasting

any money.

"RATINGS" of horses who travel here from overseas, do not travel with the "horse".

THEY DO NOT COUNT FOR ANYTHING

Time after time after time , the "success" of the imports has not correlated to their form at home.

I've tried to be nice and do you a favour megsy by telling you to stop typing and embarrassing yourself but you've not taken notice of the warning so you just carry on then. I've also already corrected these inaccurate points you continue to make and am having to do so again now due to your lack of retaining information issues and/or your burying your head in the sand whenever you are put right on matters.

First of all a minor detail:

megsy 09 Sep 13 10:23 
hang on onlooker !!!...im amazed stated moonlight cloud was a miler, doesnt that make him a specialist miler ?

Moonlight Cloud is a mare (just like the one you are having in this thread) and maybe you should have looked it up on the Racing Post or Wikipedia sites eh?

Secondly does a horse have to win every race it runs in at a mile distance for it to be considered a miler? Ignoring 2YO races when they often run at shorter than their eventual trip, MC might well have only won twice at a mile (both Gr1s btw) but has run at the trip 5 times in total, has only run twice at 6f and went to America to run then the Breeders' cup mile (the clue was in the race title) and 4 of her last 6 most recent races have been at a mile, so all in all I don't think it's unreasonable to label her a miler, after all even Frankel ran at 7f in races after having won Gr1s at a mile.

Let's have it your way though and say despite the evidence otherwise that MC is a 7f to a mile horse horse. Well if she frightened the life out of the supposedly best 5f-6f sprinter in the world then what does that tell you when she can be running short of her trip (whichever you claim that is) and at a trip she has never won at before (despite whatever you claim) and still only be narrowly beaten? Trying to cloud the issue by quibbling over the finer detail still doesn't change the main point being made.

As for your other inaccuracies regarding MC, other posters have once again put you right on that, as they have on Excelebration but it's odd that you suggest MC isn't a miler because she only won twice at a mile despite running in several others but you then claim Excelebration is a 7f horse despite also only winning twice at that trip from 3 runs at 7f, yet has won 4 times at a mile (and also ran in the the BC Mile) and has run at that distance for 9 of its 15 races, so well over 50% when you consider they include 2YO runs too at shorter distances and its final 5 races were all at a mile and was regularly beating other specialist milers with or without Frankel in the race. It even won at a mile on ground described as Very Soft which would put an emphasis on getting the mile too.

As for our current crop of milers, I'd happily back Farhh, Moonlight Cloud, Dawn Approach, Declaration of War, Toranado, Gregorian, Elusive Kate, Sky Lantern, Intello and Olympic Glory at a mile against Sea Moon any time.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to put you right again and firstly nobody was saying lethal Force was our sprinting superstar, I merely said he was beating Society Rock by the same distance that Black Caviar beat SR, so see if you can read between the lines to work out what that must mean then? Also it wasn't a 6f race that MC beat LF anyway but I think this has been covered and I've now doubt hasd it have been the same race distance when BC and MC met at RA then BC's undefeated record would have been shattered and she would probably have gone straight into retirement with the injury as an excuse for the defeat. Plus LT has no winning form on ground where Soft appears in the description other than when winning its maiden

Oh and regarding Excelebration only being a 7f horse based on breeding, unless I'm mistaken Mahogany is by Last Tycoon, a horse that won the King's Stand and Nunthorpe which are sprint distances and then the BC Mile, so surely Mahogany using your logic (or lack off) on breeding.......I'm sure (or should that be hope?) you can finish the sentence yourself.

And you're the one shaking your head at me!

well well well, what a pack of mugs,

you all fear the unknown because its not british so you all go on the abusive trail.you pack of sad fcuks !!!!

just because in your domain you have never heard of a stayer with a touch of brilliance win first up over a sprint trip and the fear just maybe, i said just maybe, those aussie trainers maybe a smart lot

your all a very intelligent lot....PMSL !!!!!!!!!!!

go check up how many european horses have won or been placed first up or second up from a spell at 7f in australia.

now before you get on your high horse like dopey nirnaeth  a 7f race in australia is like a 6f race in the uk because of hills compare to flat racing.

proofs in the pudding sunshines, do your own fcukin home work before you dribble shyt like im amazed.

ps...imazaed, keep typing away, i never read your dribble, you do know that

Red Rum dead heated over 5 furlongs Megsy.

And he won our Grand National 3 times over 4.5 miles!

Phucking beat that!!!

LOL....don't you ever get tired of sand in your eyes megsy from all of that head burying?

Please feel free to address (or hold your hands up for) any of the 101 facts (key word) you have got wrong in this thread and have had it pointed out to you by numerous posters, or will you be doing your normal trick of the online equivalent to sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting ner-ner-ner-ner-ner as if it had never happen?

Please also feel free to point out what part of what I wrote above is "shyte" as I'd love to know. Is it the fact I pointed out Moonlight Cloud is a mare and you described the horse as a him? Or maybe it's the fact she has never won a single race at 6f yet you claimed she had multiple wins at the distance? What about the fact that Excelebration was described by you as a 7f horse having won two 7f races yet four times at a mile? I could go on but even I'm cringing on your behalf as I type this and I haven't even got to the parts again where you seem to be arguing with yourself with contradictions for one horse compared to what you said for another.

So if you never read my "dribble" megsy (presumably you meant drivel?) then how do you know it's dribble/drivel and maybe that's why you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again when I point out where you have gone wrong? Normal people live and learn but at least it's good to know you are living anyway. Although you and I both know you read every word don't we? Just by merely saying something is "dribble" doesn't make it so when what you are actually calling dribble/drivel are actual facts. By all means tell me you think my opinions are dribble/drivel but telling me it's dribble/drivel that the current year is 2013 for example only serves to make you look a bit silly.

Oh and it's still you're and not your when you are trying to type the abbreviated version or "you are"

Angel Gabrial     10 Sep 13 01:41 

Red Rum dead heated over 5 furlongs Megsy.

And he won our Grand National 3 times over 4.5 miles!

Phucking beat that!!!
------------------

Touché

as i said, "sad fcuks"

So You Think won over 1400m first up in the Memsies Stakes Group 1 WFA now when trained properly by Bart, he then won the Group 1 Underwood 1800m, the Group 1 Caulfield Stakes 2000m, The Group 1 W S Cox Plate 2000m the Group 1 2000m Mackinnon Stakes all at WFA and then 3days later ran 3rd in the Group 1 3200m Melbourne Cup behind champion stayer Americain after pulling as ferociously as any horse I've ever seen in a Melbourne Cup and still had the audacity to hit the front at the top of the straight and finish 3rd.

Your so called guru trainer then O'Brien promptly took about 8 lengths off the horse and despite that So You Think still cleaned up in the UK and Ireland.

It was only when O'Brien was forced by Coolmore to listen to how the horse used to be trained here in Australia and changed his training of him accordingly that he got some of the speed back into the horse that he used to possess and all of this despite O'Brien sending him around in everything but the warrnambool bike race when the horse was clearly desperate for a break.

As for Sea Moon Lloyd Williams is a far superior trainer to Sea Moon's former mentor Sir Michael Stoute, your so called good trainers are that backwards its not funny, however your younger brigade who aren't still stuck rigidly back in the 1950's -70's do have some idea.

Sea Moon's run was enormous under the circumstances, the chief steward said he had never seen a go down like that at the start and not fall, Sea Moon was not surprisingly very sore the following day.

Although this an anonymous forum I think the battering megsy has taken here is probably the most complete I have ever seen on here.

Ima deserves umpteen credit here for slamming this pleb into submission.

A cracking read, with the little Aussie sprinter fading after 5f.

No change there then


Boooooom

you think

still laughing how my question has take a sharp turn off the subject, sad fcuks as i say

besides bannana, if you do your homework you would know i never read your girlfriend im amazes dribble...and yes its spelt correctly

the girls lead by bannana out for a stroll




not on pommy mug has proved me wrong, not one !!!!

You have been beaten into submission megsy.

Owned if you will.

Thanks for turning up

these mugs havent heard of stayers winning at shorter distances.it just aint british

bannana...ive always owned you sweatheart

Re read your poorly written piece. It shows your COMPLETE lack of knowledge. To get a horses gender wrong is one thing....

To not be able to read its racing history is another!!

You are in the wrong game kiddo, battered and embarrassed.

I will leave you to your little sprinters on dirt

Enjoy

bannana ...ohhh so sorry i wrote him instead of she "once" you poms are very quick and the post before i said "she" but hey type what you like....and 6 1/2 furlongs was the last time i checked a fcuking sprint distance you loon

as usual you mugs cant answer the original question.

these mugs havent heard of stayers winning at shorter distances.it just aint british


pssst, we dont race sprinters on dirt,

you will always be my patsy

i was once told, never argue with a mug pommy punter, he dont know which end of a horse shyts

and here i thought, well not really you had some knowlege about racehorses in general.

congratulations you know the differenvce between a him and a she

unless i read someone adding to stayers winning at short distances first up, i will just continue to smile, well actually chuckle at stupidity in silence, then again......

unless i read someone adding to stayers winning at short distances first up,

Of course they can but it would have to be a drop in class,. Sea Moon was rated 123 over here but he hit that high over 12f. Are you suggesting Robert Hichmott can achieve a similar mark for Sea Moon over 8f as he will reach over 12f+ in Australia?

I think the post race analysis of the Sea Moon race goes like this

Very awkward start and lost ground, held up in last pair, ridden over 2f out, soon outpaced in rear, stayed on but never a factor

Soon outpaced
Stayed on

Why would that be Einstein

Illustrates how little you know about racing, go watch the replay genius, the horse pulled up extremely sore and wouldn't stretch out properly early because of what occurred at the start, surely even a brain dead idiot such as yourself is capable of comprehending that.

No wonder why you clowns have so many false favourites in your races and send good horses around at good odds I suggest that you try doing some form i.e. watching replays and discover for yourself what actually happened rather than just reading about it before you open your gob in future.

Sea Moon is a considerably better horse than the ones sent over in the past, many of which were able to operate and win Group Ones in Australia, despite being Group Two class at best in the UK (Glass Harmonium, Green Moon, My Kingdom of Fyfe etc etc).

He probably could win top races at shorter distances than 12f, because he'd outclass most of the horses racing at the highest level in Australia, imo...

Is there anything sweeter than watching a bitter Aussie absolutely seething

You lot were awfully quiet during the Lions tour, oh yeah and the Ashes

Your dump is how many times the size of our glorious island, and yet you still only produce average sportsmen and women along with average horses??


Pm fookin l

Teasing retards is beneath you, Megsy.

Bananaman

Angel Gobbler

and BF Fanatic alias Imamazdabongovan

Two poor fishermen-fools and someone who thinks word-count adds weight to his argument.

He's oblivious to the fact that using illogical generalisms and ridiculous terms like "best EVER"

destroy the credibility of his argument...............before he even commences typing.

What a wannka. It'd be funny if it wasn't sad.

agrees with you spooooon after all they are retards and women bashers

ohhh and ima mazed should know by now, ive told him many times, i love laughing to myself that i made him write a 5000 word response every time

lets...no use trying to explain to them, you cant educate a mug, or is that an idiot

after all they are retards and women bashers

Please be careful with your generalisms, Megsy

Illustrates how little you know about racing, go watch the replay genius, the horse pulled up extremely sore and wouldn't stretch out properly early because of what occurred at the start, surely even a brain dead idiot such as yourself is capable of comprehending that.

SO WHY DIDN`T THE JOCKEY PULL HIM UP???

Do your riders not know when a horse is lame? Does this explain why Luke Nolan decided not to dismount from the injured Black Caviar after she sorely scrambled home at Ascot?

FFS why risk Sea Moon in a Melbourne Cup prep race if he was sore throughout the race? You expect every viewer of the race to see the obvious effects of leaving the gates awkwardly but for some reason Craig Williams never suspected a problem and in the post race analysis it never mentions `finished extremely sore`

You Australians should learn to pull up on horses that are obviously running when `extremely sore`!!!

Poor Sean Moon he has landed into the land of THICK KANTS!!

SPRING plans are up in the air for Cups and Cox Plate fancy Sea Moon after the expensive import suffered a traumatic barrier mishap at Flemington on Saturday.

Leviathan owner Lloyd Williams informed Racing Victoria stewards yesterday morning that the $3 million horse had "pulled up sore and will be monitored for the next couple of days."

Sea Moon, the $4 second favourite on his Australian debut in the Group 1 Makybe Diva Stakes, knuckled at the start of the 1600m race, his legs sprawling wildly in all directions.

Jockey Craig Williams, who was lucky to stay in the saddle, looked inquiringly down at the legs before setting out after the field, which already had a four or five length advantage.

Sea Moon, who had won five of his 10 career starts, worked hard to the line, beating two others home.

Lloyd’s son Nick said the good news was that vets believed the soreness is muscular, not structural.
"You just have to hope all is well," Nick Williams said.

Does the IQ of  Australian jockey`s represent the country of Australia? A $3million horse being aimed at the Melbourne Cup and the rider allows it race and even gets after the horse, even though it sprawled at the start and jarred himself up resulting in the horse not striding out effectively!!!Now  what the phuck is going on between the ears?

Again your showing your complete lack of knowledge of horses  when they're in a race they run on adrenalin, (top horses will run through the pain barrier regardless that's what makes them top horses in the first place) he was examined by the oncourse vet after the race who could find nothing amiss but once he cooled down by the next day he was very sore. Again this illustrates my point that you could fit your total knowledge and understanding of racing on the back of a postage stamp and still have enough room left for your single digit IQ.

You seem to be contradicting yourself here.

On one one hand you say about Sea Moon the horse pulled up extremely sore and wouldn't stretch out properly early because of what occurred at the start

Then you suggest because the horse was running on adrenalin that he ran through the pain barrier.

So, was Sea Moon stretching out properly Lets Elope?? or not??? If the answer is NO, then why did Craig Williams risk him and in fact chase after him? could he not tell the horse was lame? or was the horse not lame? ffs make your mind up.

Lets Elope says

the horse pulled up extremely sore and wouldn't stretch out properly early because of what occurred at the start, surely even a brain dead idiot such as yourself is capable of comprehending that.

Yet

he was examined by the oncourse vet after the race who could find nothing amiss but once he cooled down by the next day he was very sore.

Do you Australians share the same brain cell??

Sharp as tacs the convicts, sharp as tacs

PMSL

FFS i didn't realise that Craig Williams was riding the poor bugger...if i did i'd have watched the race just for the comedy factor.....

Seriously though Australia used to have some great jockeys......the incomparable Garnet Bougoure....Ron Hutchinson...Bill

Williamson.....and of course the peerless Scobie.......what would they think of the embarrassing hapless mugs riding over there now...

Its like rodeo except they just go round and round and round and round on the flat and it never ends cos its so boring going round and tound on the flat and it never ends cos its so boring going round and round and round on the flat cos its so....

Oh wait a minute, the TROTS are even better, a bloke sitting in a cart going round and round and round on the flat but thats also boring just going round and round and round in a cart on the flat cos it so boring going round and round in a cart with a whip..........

megsy 10 Sep 13 05:18 
besides bannana, if you do your homework you would know i never read your girlfriend im amazes dribble...and yes its spelt correctly.

Hmmmm, so you claim to never read my posts but you are away that I pulled you up over the dribble/drivel thing? Oh and if you never read my posts then how did you also know I mentioned that you had got the sex of Moonlight Cloud wrong?

That's a few times you've lied over that and are you familiar with the Shakespeare line from Hamlet "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." by Queen Gertrude?

Has it ever occurred to you THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON (no of course it hasn't lol) that if most of my posts in this thread weren't spent continuously correcting megsy's inaccuracies that just maybe they wouldn't actually be as long as they are?

See what's just happened there, I've made a "wordy" post without even mentioning the horses yet or the thread subject but look why!

Oh and once again because some of you down under have failed to grasp the issue first time around it's having to be even wordier when I repeat that yes, some genuinely Gr1 level horses can step up and down in trip and beat other low3er class horses but they won't tend to beat the very best at another horse's specialist trip when it's not their own.

That's why Black Caviar could win at 7f down there but would be absolutely trounced by Moonlight Cloud and some of our top milers at that trip and would have probably finished out of the frame or 3rd at best if the Royal Ascot race had been 7f. It's also why she dodged Frankel at 7f and a mile when seeing as the likes of megsy loves the breeding to deciding a horse's best trip (or at least when he's not using double standards and contradicting himself when it suits) then Frankel on breeding always looked like he needed more than a mile and he showed that when stepped up to 10f.

By the way megsy, if I'm supposedly bannahan's girlfriend merely because he knows how daft you are and agrees with me on certain things, does that make you, Let's Elope and THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON a Sheila's Wheels orgy, because for some inexplicable reason other than being from the same place, they align themselves with you? Or would you be taking the double standards stance on that on too because it suits?

Funnily enough there's even a quaint little story to be made in your user names.....Let's Elope and all go and Spoon megsy.

Still the horse should make a full recovery after a nice spell of Steroid Abuse [cough] i mean spieling.......should be better than ever imo......

Wait for the "another long post from ima" reply.


Ima, i think its safe to say you have shat on this sheilas parade.

Well done. I'll keep this short so the prisoner cell block h convict will read it from top to bottom.

All together now...

"Neighbours, everybody needs good neighbours"......

H.R.Pufinstuff joins the fray .

We've gone from B1 and B2 to the Three Stooges, now we've got the Middle-aged Mutant Whinging Turrdles

Who's joining next? It'll be The Fabulous Five..Flogs

ImaMazdaBongoVan's channeling Nostradamus again  

That's why Black Caviar could win at 7f down there but would be absolutely trounced by Moonlight Cloud and some of our top milers at that trip and would have probably finished out of the frame or 3rd at best if the Royal Ascot race had been 7f. It's also why she dodged Frankel at 7f and a mile


He types this dribble (that's harmless, I suppose) .....yet I worry.... he actually believes it

The fosters has clearly kicked in again as the convicts attempt to strike back

That's why Black Caviar could win at 7f down there but would be absolutely trounced by Moonlight Cloud and some of our top milers at that trip

So it's a fact then

Black Caviar was certainly staying on well over the stiff 6f at Ascot

She was not being reeled in at all.

Over another 2 furlongs she would have pulled right away

Best not to mention reeling in to Spoon Angel......makes him very nervous...........he is quite game though.

Just warming up, but that's an opinion.

BongoVan has opinions on hypotheticals that are facts. He's in a league of his own there

How's things, AngelGobbler?

I am waiting for the classic Australian line that Peter Moody would have trained her specifically to excel over 8f if he had wanted.

Barely got 4f

Pufinstuff, again I defer to the BongoVan.

I see his "wordy" responses as landed weight on the hook.

Has anyone ever hauled a whale-shark on board before?

Poor Megsy's got a hernia and his haemhorroids look like a fkn beanbag

Gawd, I've seen this before

Peering off the jetty, the little nibblers swimming around for scraps

Too close to shore for the BongoVan's bulk though.

cmon, nibblers!

Going around in circles eating each other's shitt

Even the Aussies have forgotten about Black Caviar tbf.....the mugs have got a new 'best ever' now.

Send Mugsy my sympathies regarding the Hemorrhoids spoon.....must put quite a damper on your love life........

The main thing is he's quite comfortable.

Have the hemorrhoids affected his sense of taste?

It seems not.

Whilst flattered by your advances, you're still not his type

Try the BongoVan. Talks out of his arrse and it doesn't ever seem to close.

any more nibbles from the school of tiddlers?

It might feel comfortable for the first 50 yrds but wait until you get out of step!....

Anyone have a list of the best horses that've raced in Europe, then have been exported to Australia?

I remember At Talaq & Jeune winning the Melbourne Cup...they were both decent group performers in their day in the UK but probably a shade below Sea Moon from a 'class' perspective - they were more on a par with something like Fiorente...another Stoute performer that's recently emigrated.

BongoVan...your @ss must be so fkin jealous of all the **** that come out of your mouth, all 500+ words


Bannana i heard you spiked your own drink on a regular basis with rohypnol in order to have way with yourself


and the 2 clever girls gabrial and Hartley,this is you two to a tee "how much shyt could a dip **** dip if a dip **** could dip ****"


and by the way as Spooon keeps pulling down your panties without you all even realising, i think he is trying to tell you this when you fish

A man identified as bannahan described himself  as a passionate masturbator has admitted to police  that he spiked his own drink with the drug rohypnol in order to have his way with himself.

bannahan told police he deliberately set out  to prey on his own company, by slipping the potent  sedative pill into his vodka  and tonic while wasn’t looking.

He said his plan from the outset was to take advantage of himself while his defences were down.
I was really on the hunt for some “self abuse”’ the bannahan said. And when I saw this hottie bit of hand leaning on the bar, I slipped myself a mickey and the next thing I remember im taking myself back to my place.

Police have described bannahan as one of several predatory masturbaters  currently operating in watering holes around the inner suburbs of London. In fact its fair to say most English bars are full of w@nkers. A police spokesman said.




your owned biatch

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european stayers continue to win at short trips in australian group races, and you call this "not british" maybe, just maybe the australian trainers are............

Still struggling to master basic English I see megsy.

The claim here was that our decent stayers will beat your lesser ability horses at shorter trips but they really shouldn't be beating your best ones at the shorter trips, otherwise you've basically just admitted if Frankel was put with an Aussie trainer then he would beat Black Caviar at 5f.

Sea Moon was a decent horse here but no superstar and 1m4f was probably his best trip but he was still classy enough to run a decent race at 1m6f and finish close up in our St Leger, yet also classy enough to win at 1m2f too but in order to do the later had to do so in handicap company, which just proves the point that classy horses running at their wrong trip can still beat those of lesser class even if it's the lesser classy horse's right trip.

Sea moon is by Beat Hollow and that horse won FTO as a 2YO at a mile, did most of his winning at 1m2f but once again because it was classy it was able to be competitive but not win at 1m4f when tried in the Derby. It then ran 7 times in America winning twice at 1m2f, won once at 1m1f and then was beaten 4 times at trips or a mile to 1m1f including its final 2 races at a mile immediately after having won at 1m2f, so the Americans tried to drop it back in trip and try to fix something that wasn't broken but it didn't work for them either.

Sea Moon has only won at a mile once and that was in his 2YO days and in his 3YO debut ran over 1m2f then 1m4f then 1m6f, so to drop it back to a mile now as a 5YO is embarrassing and that field for his last race over there also included Manighar, a horse that made its race course debut at 12f and was 4th in our 2m4f Ascot Gold Cup, yet was able to win a Gr3 at a mile over in Australia beating lesser horses but was last seen finishing 6th at a mile in a Gr1 against what you would have to assume were better horses at that trip.

That mile race Sea Moon and Manighar ran in also contained Mourayan and that horse was last seen here running 5th beaten only 3½L in our Gr1 1m6f St Leger at Donny and yet there you have it running in a Gr1 mile race in Australia even though the time before that it won Gr1 at 2 miles, which is a 50% drop in distance. December Draw is another ex-UK trained runner in that same race that was a 1m2f winner here and won at that distance in its first couple of starts over there but then is for some inexplicable reason dropped to a mile and finishes 8th of 11 and 10th or 14 in this race. Then finally you have our St Leger winner Masked Marvel at 1m6f running in that same mile race and unsurprisingly (to us here anyway) all finished strung out like the washing.

So all of that tinkering making matters worse by your Aussie trainers and then you then have the laughable situation of Bart C*mmings telling Aidan O'Brien he's messed things up and doesn't know how to train So You Think when in fact what was really the case is that SYT in the main just met a better class of rival here.

still dribbling BongoVan get you every time 500 odd word reply, what havent you learnt?

i find it hard to believe you have time to type whilst enjoying the rohpynol ? then again you are english

Megsy in the very unlikely event that a few genuine v good Aussie mid distance/stayers come over here, go to Uk trainers and start winning decent group races at 8-10f would you claim:

a) It's the fantastic uk trainers giving these horses previously untapped speed and ability.
b) The horses enjoy the conditions over here better.
c) The horses they are racing against aren't as good as the ones they've been racing against in Aussie and are thus able to win at distances that don't suit.

be honest now.......

LOL....so every time you have made a tw@t of yourself on here megsy it was all just a wind up then, is that what you are saying? Yeah right!

I was thinking of backing Moonlight Cloud next time and was wondering what are your views on HIS winning 6f form?

Trainer queuing up to get horses off Stoute who clearly is another member of your old fashioned hierarchy who still train like they're stuck in the 1950-70's and whom fail to employ anything resembling modern training techniques.Lloyd will improve Sea Moon a furlong as Gai has already done with Fiorente as Moody did with Manighar etc, etc, etc. Bart has forgotten more about training than Aidan O'brien will ever know and he doesn't have 200 plus of the best bred horses of all time gifted to him every season.

European stayers too quick for Australia's best milers shock!!!! ...........Letty the liar and Mugsy defending the indefensible as usual.

Trainer queuing up to get horses off Stoute who clearly is another member of your old fashioned hierarchy who still train like they're stuck in the 1950-70's and whom fail to employ anything resembling modern training techniques.

This is correct,the proof in the pudding is that he fails to achieve success with his classic middle distance/staying types back in handicap class over a mile.

hardly our best milers Super Cool is a 2000m horse and has never won over a mile, show you how much you know, happy trails a genuine proven Group 1 quality miler was scratched and the rest  of the field consisted of horses who can't win over a mile in that class and were using it as a lead up to other events

Authaal....a horse that made all in a Irish St Leger in the mid eighties.....goes to Oz and wins 2 gr1 over 8f and 10f!....incredible........a few of you might even remember a horse that

won a gr 2 over 12f at Ascot called Jeune........goes to Oz and wins gr 1s over 7f and a mile before winning the Melbourne cup over 2 mile!!!!....what could this mean?....

European stayers too quick for Australia's best milers shock!!!!

Better trainer, superior training techniques, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that one out. Your trainers can't even back a horse up within a week.

You sure Letty.....it could be that Aussie gr 1s don't take a lot of winning.......it has to be considered....

And that is the crux of the matter as we in the northern hemisphere know that horses not good enough to win at the highest level here but might win anything from a handicap through to Gr3 or Gr2 level, can still go down under and win Gr1 races. I still can't really get my head around there actually being such a thing as a Gr1 handicap in Australia and maybe that might explain everything.

They on the other hand in the southern hemisphere quaintly think it's because their trainers are better than ours because ex-UK trained stayers can drop back significantly in trip and win races down there, when in fact we know it's our ex-UK trained stayers dropping back in trip and beating their lesser types. There's no shame in that as our classier ones can do that here too but don't tend to win at the very highest level when dropping back here.

Michael Stoute's CV compares favourably with anyone's, having won multiple Grade 1 or Group 1s in the UK, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan, the UAE and the US. Now unlike some of you down under, I have no wish to knock trainers from another country and will be the first to admit I don't know the full extent of Bart Cummings's success other than it being 11 or so MC wins and around 260 odd Gr1s, but I would be very surprised if the bulk of those weren't at home only and certainly not as far spread as some of O'Brien's and Stoute's global successes.

The ex-Stoute trained Fiorente was a Gr2 winner at best when racing here and won at that level over 1m4f. Its first race in Australia was the Gr1 handicap Melbourne Cup at 2m (a matter of weeks after leafing Stoute btw) when 2nd to another ex-UK trained handicap and Listed winner that couldn't cut it at Gr2 and Gr3 level, yet can win a Gr1 down there. So 2 ex-UK horses filled the first 2 places in that season's MC, a UK based/trained horse was 3rd, another ex-UK trained horse that was with Amanda Perrett that had only ever won a AW race at Wolves was 4th, the UK based/trained Mount Athos was 5th, an ex-UK trained handicap winner with Henry Cecil was 6th, an Ex-Irish trained horse with John Oxx that had only won a Maiden and Listed race was 7th, the UK-trained Red Cadeaux was 8th and then you had to go to 9th for the first exclusively Aussie trained horse before the next 3 were all European trained too.

So if Fiorente can be beaten only a length in the Gr1 Melbourne Cup at 2m but can also win a Gr2 at a mile down there then that's worrying for the quality of Aussie horses. Oh and if Bart has forgotten more about training than O'Brien then maybe that's the problem and have trouble retaining information must be a national ailment down there.

Oops typo, *leaving Stoute even.......the F and V too close on the keyboard.

Tbf the totally unjust way that Europe has refused to fall into line with Australia's pro Drug rules has been a considerable hurdle for Bart to overcome and completely explains his lack of overseas success.

the girls club at it again or is that the rohpynol club??


our milers have nothing to fear yours, even the only 2 that have ventured to your cold, wet, miserable land won a group 1 racing out of their own racing season.

and even SYT was a champion at a mile

l'ii let you work out who those 2 were.

imamazed...do i have to correct your spelling??? ffs,

may it be that maybe, i said maybe, some european horses are performing better because they are racing on better, firmer tracks, not all horses like it your way, after all your good track is close to heavy in australia, which makes frankel a mudlark in our terms, could he win on firmer tracks?...maybe yes, maybe know

await the 500+ word reply

know=no

That's why Black Caviar could win at 7f down there but would be absolutely trounced by Moonlight Cloud and some of our top milers at that trip and would have probably finished out of the frame or 3rd at best if the Royal Ascot race had been 7f. It's also why she dodged Frankel at 7f

Appears to me Frankel dodged BC

Yep that must be it Mugsy.....it's the firmer tracks that turn our dourest stayer into your champion miler.......

You would lose an argument in an empty room Mugsy...........how are the piles btw?....it might be time for the introduction of vaseline into your relationships....

Conveniently the chorus of clowns consistently fail to mention that Black Caviar was at the end of a long arduous preparation and still travelled halfway around the globe and still won beating a champion in Moonlight Cloud, the horse actually still won the race despite pulling up injured and never raced again until 7months later due to that same injury.

They're ignorance and sheer stupidity is breathtaking.

hartley you dumbshyt like i aked you about yourself. "how much shyt could a dip shyt dip if a dip shypt could dip shypt"


lets, let em think they are superior, the rest of the world dont

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/article/465/8924590/australians-announce-steroids-ban

Oh dear, no more Aussie sprinters with backsides like 3m chasers

Here's me spotting my own typo and not spelling mistake.

ima_mazed66 15 Sep 13 18:21 
Oops typo, *leaving Stoute even.......the F and V too close on the keyboard.

Here's megy's reply.

megsy 16 Sep 13 03:55   
imamazed...do i have to correct your spelling??? ffs

Yeah that makes sense considering I just highlighted the TYPO myself......but then he follows up with these two beauties.

megsy 16 Sep 13 04:01 
...maybe yes, maybe know

megsy 16 Sep 13 04:02 
know=no

Er, megsy.....do i have to correct your spelling???

Classic.

please dont bring black caviar into this. she ran below par at ascot. check out her other form lines. shes 6 lengths better than that. no idea why the owners brought her to england for 200k.........hong kong and japan have much better races.
europe 10/12f horses are on a different planet to those downunder. this is a a well known fact. but it shouldnt cloud the fact that UK racing is vastly inferior in terms of prize money to aus. it is also ten times more corrupt. its a complete laughing stock. im waiting for the day when sheik mo and his clan pull the plug. if they ever do, the game is dead. who else can afford to race for 2k?

The thing that needs explaining when people say Black Caviar ran x amounts of lbs below her best or is x number of lengths better than she showed at Ascot is by what method is that being measured? What's the common denominator between her runs in Australia and Ascot that you can measure that by? Why can't it just be a case of she met different opposition to the ones she was beating before?

There's nothing wrong with UK prize money at the top end but just the bottom end bread and better stuff. Frankel won £567k when winning the QEll and £737k when winning the Champion Stakes. How many times did Black Caviar win more than that in single races and it was actually nearer £300k she races for at Ascot too. Frankel also totalled £2,998,302 in prize money in 14 races which averages out at around £214k per race and Black Caviar won the Aussie Dollar equivalent of £4,652,092 in 25 races and averaging £186k per race.

In light of some of the more recently stories, it would actually be amusing if Sheik Mo and his clan pull the plug too and the game wouldn't be dead anyway, as it would just mean that a new lot of buyers would purchase the horses at the sales and those currently buying would not only get a better deal on the ones they do buy and get more for their money compared to today but it might even encourage past owners who gave up on the game after being priced out to come back again.

It's a lot easier to race for £2k and stand a chance of winning when you don't have an Arab owned expensive purchase also running in the race in what amounts to a gallop with prize money for them and some owners might not mind too much competing at the bottom end as long as they can still run a few at Listed and Group level knowing they don't have to compete with as many Arab owned runners if the Al Maktoum family do up sticks.

I wonder too how many northern owners and trainers have been adversely affected by Sheikh Mo's son muscling in on the scene up there and sending his horses to Mark Johnston? How many of those type of horses he buys a decade or so ago would have been more realistically priced and have ended up with a wider spread of trainers and owners but for his spending power?

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you still havent a clue have you, shakes head...and now your calling moonlight cloud a specialise miler, what because she won 2 times at the mile.


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hang on onlooker !!!...im amazed stated moonlight cloud was a miler, doesnt that make him a specialist miler ?


look at the time dyp shyt el typo and you make out differently....douchebag


dribble (drbl)
v. drib·bled, drib·bling, drib·bles
v.intr.
1. To flow or fall in drops or an unsteady stream; trickle: Water dribbled from the leaky faucet.
2. To let saliva drip from the mouth; drool.


in your case, dribble bullshyt, but hey you know the english dictionary backwards

and keep up the 500+ words, it tells me i wind you up every time

pssst,  sprinters dont have the same opportunity for big purse races as middle and  distance group 1's dyp shyt, but again you know australian and world racing, fckin goose

besides we all know the cotton wool kid avoided the better horses all his career, the same day he advoided SYT when more prize money was on offer.


here comes another 500+ reply....pmsl

Frankel also totalled £2,998,302 in prize money in 14 races which averages out at around £214k per race and Black Caviar won the Aussie Dollar equivalent of £4,652,092 in 25 races and averaging £186k per race.


so you saying because frankel won more per race he was the better horse, pmsl

try pierro, last years runner up as best 3 yr old in oz, won 11 for 318,000 pounds per race and he was more a miler himself.

but as you reckon you know everything, you failed to mention black caviar, because of injury, missed the $3,000,000 golden slipper at 2, the $1,000,00 blue diamong at 2, shall i add a few more big purses she missed due to injury? but again you make a fool out of yourself every time claiming you know everything,

bury you head in the sand douchebag, bury it deep

frankel did not avoid the best horses. he murdered the best. there were two issues with his campaign...........he didnt run over 12f and he didnt run in a big race abroad such as breeders cup or arc.

racing for 2k per race is unsustainable in long run. prizemoney at the lower level has been stagnant for 20 years. its a farce.