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A PENSIONER who handed over more than £10,000 to tipster John McCracken for an ‘extra special' betting scheme never saw his money again, a court heard on Tuesday.

Peter McClean was giving evidence at the Lewes Crown Court trial of three men accused of taking part in a £5 million betting scam.

Unemployed McCracken, 47, from Brighton, who was effectively warned off for life in 2004 after refusing to co-operate with a race-fixing investigation, is charged with conspiracy to defraud between April 30, 2003 and February 13, 2008.

His co-defendants, self-employed John Brice, 40, of Hove, and Matthew Thole, 40, a company director and tipster from Cardiff, face the same charge. All three men have pleaded not guilty.

McClean, from Coventry, received a brochure with McCracken's picture on the front in spring 2006, and paid £227 for a three-year membership.

He said: "In quick succession within about a week or so I got four tips. To my surprise three of the damn things won."

McClean said he only bet in small amounts as he "wasn't convinced to begin with" because of the short odds, but subsequently received a second brochure in the name of John Jock McCracken offering the opportunity to take part in a "record-breaking mystery horses" scheme.

The court heard he received a phone call shortly afterwards from someone claiming to be an associate of McCracken.

McClean said: "I received a phone call asking me to pay for another service. The fact I had three winners out of four, I thought I was on to a good thing. I was very interested."

McClean said no specific amount of money was mentioned at this point but he said he wouldn't pay anything unless he could speak to somebody higher up, "preferably McCracken himself".

He told the court that "within minutes" he received a phone call from someone who said, "this is Jock McCracken".

McClean said: "I only remember the price he mentioned, £10,000. He said [the service] was better than the one I had already joined."

The pensioner then said he would need to speak to McCracken face to face and they agreed to meet at McDonalds restaurant at Gatwick airport at 8am on June 12, 2006.

He said McCracken told him to come alone. McClean said he went to meet McCracken with a £10,000 cheque in his pocket because he was "anxious to join" the scheme.

He said: "I asked him what the £10,000 was for. He said I would be getting the best racing information possible. He said by Christmas of that year I would be worth in the region of £100,000. And in three or four years I would be making somewhere in the region of £1 million."

McClean said he gave the cheque to McCracken, explaining: "I thought I'd get horseracing information at least as good if not better than I had already got," adding: "After that he just melted away."

He told the court he was rung by one or two other people on McCracken's behalf, but only to try to sell more services.

McClean attempted to get in touch with McCracken through phone calls and writing only to find the mobile number disconnected and his letter returned.

In cross-examination Matthew Farmer, defending McCracken, said the service being offered was to actually back horses that were going to lose.

McClean denied this and said he didn't know how to put bets on like that.

Asked why he hadn't clarified what special service was being offered for £10,000, McClean replied: "It had worked before three out of four times, you can't argue with that. I wanted to be part of it."

The trial, which is expected to last up to four weeks, continues.

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By:
motley01
When: 16 Jul 13 22:15
Top man that Mccracken eh?
By:
ZEALOT
When: 16 Jul 13 22:18
I didnt know conmen went for the vulnerable , surprising .
By:
motley01
When: 16 Jul 13 22:21
£5 million scam, poor old boy, cant of been the only one, fraacking scumbags,
lock em up.
By:
ZEALOT
When: 16 Jul 13 22:26
get nothing for fraud these days -
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 22:26
I find it hard to believe anyone could fall for this

meeting in that top restaurant McDonaldsShocked should have been the giveaway

still I follow Skinto so I am just as bad

but he has not asked me for £10,000....yetMischief
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Jul 13 22:27
weeks of legal wrangle


final result - not guilty


....
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 22:30
would have thought he would have sent him a few tips
even if just price wise or something
then would he have a case???
By:
BIG GURU
When: 16 Jul 13 22:31
Maybe it would be better knowing the details before commenting on this?
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 22:32
they were lays

McCraken = Money TreeConfusedWink
By:
salmon spray
When: 16 Jul 13 22:32
For once I agree with Delta.
By:
motley01
When: 16 Jul 13 22:34
What more detail do you need, old boy ripped off for £10k, he hardly
has a motive to lie, now does he, why would he make a statement, then turn
up in court a testify, ffs
By:
BIG GURU
When: 16 Jul 13 22:38
The bets were lays,thet thought they were taking part in a scam,turns out somebody scammed them.
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 22:38
sad
but tbh even if McCracken had been genuine...
there was never a guarantee he would have won anyway?
Horse racing is a gamble
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Jul 13 22:48
I think he had best intentions, was just unlucky on the day..  helped plenty on here for nowt
By:
saddo
When: 16 Jul 13 22:48
Plain
By:
the dealer
When: 16 Jul 13 22:52
i believe the judges last comment on Mr Mclean was " you gambled and lost "
By:
saddo
When: 16 Jul 13 23:00
What would a jury make of someone who thought they were buying stolen goods and then complained because they weren't stolen at all?
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 23:00
I dunno if the dopey was for meConfused

This chap could hardly have known anything about gambling or he would have learnt plenty of people claim information
they don't have...it happens on here evey day

Yep he was conned..but extremely gullible
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 23:02
that is what I thought saddo
this scheme could have had guaranteed winnings..if he was in on fixed races
itself illegal
By:
the dealer
When: 16 Jul 13 23:09
clearly not as straight forward as Motley seems to think

saddo Cool
By:
saddo
When: 16 Jul 13 23:10
Goodnight, m8.
By:
the dealer
When: 16 Jul 13 23:11
and you
By:
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When: 16 Jul 13 23:11
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Dont believe everything you read in the papers or on social media sites or horseracing forums such as this where everyone has their own agenda ffs -im getting misty eyed reading some of the comments already posted on here  but am i right in saying that so far those that had it down as a banker home win are currently 0-2 down ShockedShocked
By:
salmon spray
When: 16 Jul 13 23:12
My old man was ripped off by a number of tipsters who advertised 97& winners in the racing press of the 60s. I think I'd better see a lawyer        Cool
By:
motley01
When: 16 Jul 13 23:16
What would a jury make of someone who thought they were buying stolen goods and then complained because they weren't stolen at all?

He wasn't buying stolen goods was he, he was been conned of his money, under the pretense
that these scumbags, had information on what was likely to win. Nothing to do with stolen goods saddo
your username would seem to describe well, if you agree with this s-it.

Quite a few posters on this thread revealing their real persona/character, lack of integrity or any decency what so ever.
If you consider Mccracken and his crew, were doing was nothing but a guttural scam, thieving money from old age pensioners
If you can't condemn stuff like this, you no fcuking better, than this low life scum.
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Jul 13 23:18
Once someone refers to saddos user name they have lost the argument


history prevails
By:
the dealer
When: 16 Jul 13 23:23
never known Delta to comment of any of that stuff
By:
Deltâ
When: 16 Jul 13 23:26
nor have I, the dealer


funny innit!


gasket soon, stand by....
By:
salmon spray
When: 16 Jul 13 23:26
Why have you got the same icon as C F KANE motley ?
Are you related ?
The point is you are going to get this thread pulled as whatever a lot of us might think the trial as I understand it is ongoing. If he is found guilty you can say what you like about him . Allegedly.
By:
shearer2therestcue
When: 16 Jul 13 23:41
ShockedShocked -Kenny knows whats going on here
By:
casemoney
When: 16 Jul 13 23:44
one born every minute ...
By:
ebulGery
When: 16 Jul 13 23:50
I actually believe this bloke was probably conned Motley
and I am sad for him

but this is a forum for experienced gamblers who have learnt by experience
at considerably less than £10,000...that people who offer these services either lie or exaggerate their claims

McCraken has been warned for suspicion of race fixing
if he thought he was in a scheme like that that..it is Caveat Emptor
as Saddo says..

I am sure he was conned one or another ..but my sympathy would be limited if he thought he was on
a race fixing scheme
By:
pandora1963
When: 16 Jul 13 23:57
how does the likes of mcracked sleep at night??
By:
Brother Mouzone
When: 16 Jul 13 23:59
He said McCracken told him to come alone. McClean said he went to meet McCracken with a £10,000 cheque in his pocket because he was "anxious to join" the scheme.

He said: "I asked him what the £10,000 was for. He said I would be getting the best racing information possible. He said by Christmas of that year I would be worth in the region of £100,000. And in three or four years I would be making somewhere in the region of £1 million."

McClean said he gave the cheque to McCracken, explaining: "I thought I'd get horseracing information at least as good if not better than I had already got," adding: "After that he just melted away."

He told the court he was rung by one or two other people on McCracken's behalf, but only to try to sell more services.

McClean attempted to get in touch with McCracken through phone calls and writing only to find the mobile number disconnected and his letter returned.



If anyone does know what's going on, did this^ happen?
By:
salmon spray
When: 17 Jul 13 00:00
Soundly if he gets off I suspect.
Look up sociopath.
By:
ebulGery
When: 17 Jul 13 00:00
the race fixing may have been suggested by McCracken's defence lawyer to discredit him

so I will give him the benefit
it was as case says
one born every minute..
I am sorry if he has lost all his savingsSad
By:
shearer2therestcue
When: 17 Jul 13 00:00
nowt reported about him lying under oath allegedly though nor the fact hes only 57 -oh and the fact he was keen as mustard to get in on the act and fleece unsuspecting betfair customers of their hard earned/ill gotten gains -do me a favour lads .
Cant wait to buy the book Jimmy LaughLaugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuz94ZIPfJk
By:
tomdeane
When: 17 Jul 13 00:11
Obviously I feel very sorry for the poor old boy, but....

10k!
Meet me in McDonalds!
Oh, the McDonalds in an airport!
And, come alone!

Wink why not? Sounds legit...
By:
CrowsEye
When: 17 Jul 13 00:22
A fool and his money are easily parted.
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