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After spending the last three hours in a darkened room in quiet contemplation with the soothing backdrop of my indoor, water themed Bonsoi garden, the blissful and calming ambient sounds of a Tony Scott Japanese collaboration easing my mind to a higher state of consciousness, I am now able to give a balanced pronouncement on the Derby debacle. JIM BOLGER, NEXT TIME USE A BLOODY PACEMAKER!!
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Would that have stopped his horse pulling his head off from the start?
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the july cup would be the perfect race
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The horse was beaten very early, doesn't stay. Pace maker wouldn't have helped much. Go back to your Bonsai garden and chill out.
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I'd of tucked it behind a couple and calmed it.
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PMSL
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you cant say it didnt stay because it pulled so hard. if ruler of the world pulled that hard it wouldnt of stayed either
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Exactly. More effort settling it and bobs your uncle it wins.
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Yes the horse pulled hard but it was beaten 3f out. That horse will never win a group one over a mile and half.
They'll keep it to a mile now, lesson learnt. |
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would and should have never took its place in the race only the owner wanted/needed it to run in the Derby.Enough said about him.
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It pulled hard because of the slow pace, great tactics by O'Brien, one of the best ways to beat a potential non stayer is to set slow pace for a horse use to going faster. Manning taken by surprise.
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my first thoughts were 2002 Champion Hurdle.
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Now you all see why frankel never ran over 1m4f
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Frankel would have won a Derby a Leger and a fekkin BOAT race imo given the chance
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In 2008 there was a decent pace, but Manning tried his best to mess up, ridden by Fallon or Moore, or even Hughes, it would have been a different story today, the reaction would have been intelligent and decisive.
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Hughes rode like a man who was told not to upstage Moore or O'Brien.
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And how would Fallon Morre or Hughes have done to stop it pulling for its head? Horse doesnt stay no point in blaming Kevin Manning imo!
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dunrose you muppet!
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I see the Coronation Stakes was 1.3 seconds faster than the Derby, but that was won by a fully mature horse (6yo) carrying the same weight as early season 3yos. And the race after the Derby, also over 12f, was 0.06 secs slower.
My thinking is Dawn Approach wanted to go miler pace, which is not a good idea when running up a 140 foot hill. It wasn't a very slow pace race, the others were going 12f up a very steep hill pace, on slow ground. He wasn't, and obviously hadn't been trained to as the American say "rate" (go a steady pace). |
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coronation stakes faster than a derby thats som fekkin filly
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ignore that
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very sharp
*Coronation Cup |
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Listen, when the early pace slowed up Manning had a decision to make, fight the horse or send him to the front where you can dictate the pace, he made that decision too late, he fought the horse then sent him to the front. Top jockeys make split-second decisions that win races.
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And do you think Joseph O Brien was going to let him dictate the pace? As soon as he did try to slow it down, Battle of Marengo kept pestering him. Horse doesn't stay simple as! No point clutching at straws!
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And do you think Joseph O Brien was going to let him dictate the pace? As soon as he did try to slow it down, Battle of Marengo kept pestering him. Horse doesn't stay simple as! No point clutching at straws!
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Magician was kept to a mile and the same should be done for Dawn Approach.We haven't hears the last of him.
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The point is he had a chance if he went to the front as soon as he started pulling, there was no chance of winning the way Manning rode the horse. This is a rational debrief of a surprisingly run Derby. So, a rational post-race judgement is that the events of yesterday confirm Manning is a very average jockey.
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anyone who backed dawn approach should take a serious look at themselves their selection methodology.
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Perhaps you should have passed that gem on before the race,Dayjur.
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perhaps i did
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perhaps you did.
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Interesting theory that every top class miler running over 12f off a slow pace will no doubt pull his head off despite showing no signs of it to date , something new has been discovered, I'll look forward to seeing this "new approach" being adopted in future for all doubtful stayers.
Amazing how coolmore dismissed the notion of them setting a crawl and not testing DA's suspect stamina thus allowing him to win off a sprint, as pure madness, they are genius's alright  |
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anyway the point is the first reaction for anyone backing a loser is.."i backed the wrong horse"
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Well "i backed the wrong horse" would certainly be true if you've backed a loser.
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If you didn't fancy Dawn Approach to stay then you must have laid it, Dayjur.
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Although the reaction of quite a few on here is usually "the jockey rode a bad race".
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gene wilder in stir crazy would have had his hands full with that one yesterday
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no, i backed against it
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no, i backed against it
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