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Having a difficult time establishing christian names for the following, hopefully some of you will be able to recognise a few and provide me with the appropriate details
Initials Surname Years
L Barratt 1960
G Bridgland FR 1960
T Carey 1960
R Day 1960
Fawcus 1960
E Jackson FR 1960
Lyde 1960
M Marsh 1960
A.S O'Brien 1960
E Parker 1960
R Read 1960
T Shaw IRE 1960
G Spann 1960
Sutherland 1960
Weston Evans 1960
T.H Yates 1960
P Beasley 1961
Bonaventure FR 1961
P Carter FR 1961
H.T Cross 1961
E Davey 1961
J.S Evans 1961
E Goddard 1961
Langley 1961
B Mavroleon 1961
Payne Gallway 1961
Reardon 1961
J Stevens 1961
R Stone 1961
J Clayton 1962
P Dawson 1962
Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
T Gates 1962
E Pollet FR 1962
C Pratt 1962
J Spencer 1962
R.G.A Vallance 1962
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963
L Dale 1963
E Fellows FR 1963
D Griffiths 1963
S James 1963
A Kerr 1963
J Lieux 1963
P Moore 1963
Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
G Watson FR 1963
C Davies 1964
G Kennedy 1964
D Rayson 1964
E Barker 1965
C Crawley 1965
R Greenhill 1965
R.A Moore 1965
J Power 1965
P Smyth 1965
Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966
E Foster 1966
M Hurley IRE 1966
J Thompson 1966
J Walsh 1966
M Clement FR 1967
C.H Davies 1967
D Jenkins 1967
P Ransom 1967
G.N Robinson 1967
H Whiteman 1967
R Wilson 1967
W Denson 1968
F Freeman 1968
L Hall 1968
J Hartigan 1968
E Jones 1968
P Kearns IRE 1968
C Taylor 1968
A Bastiman 1969
N Bradley 1969
D Williams 1969
W Charles 1970
T Hollowell 1970
S Norton 1970
M Connolly IRE 1971
P Lallio FR 1971
A Stevens 1972
C Magnier IRE 1973
T Masterson 1973
Wallace 1973
W Gill FR 1974
H Nugent 1974
H Williams 1974
A Dalton 1975
M Goswell 1975
G Stephenson 1975
S Supple 1975
D Dale 1976
A Paus FR 1976
G Phillippeau FR 1976
R Supple 1976
H Westbrook 1976
B Wise 1977
Mrs N Birch 1978
P Lallie FR 1978
E Beeson 1979
D Boutier FR 1979
A Demetriou 1979
B Secly 1979
W.H Williams 1979
M Fogarty IRE 1980
P Read 1980
J Douglas Home 1981
G Fletcher 1981
J Gilbert 1981
C Wildman 1981
J Cann 1982
D Tucker 1982
M Bolton 1983
E Witts 1983
J Harty IRE 1984
B Stevens 1984
G Gaines 1985
M Lambert 1985
D O'Donnell 1985
J De Chevigny FR 1986
R Howe 1986
R Hutchison 1986
R Nicholls 1986
T Clout 1987
T Gallagher 1987
J Beguigne FR 1988
W Brooks 1988
R Connolly IRE 1988
W Williams 1988
L Codd 1989
J.R Shaw 1989
M.J Charles 1990
G.H Eden 1990
J.D Roberts 1990
M O'Neill 1991
A Harrison 1992
M Dixon 1994
R.W Emery 1994
Mrs L.A Murphy 1994
J.R Arnold 1997
Mrs A.E Johnson 1998
B.C Morgan 1998
N Hamilton 1999
R.F Marvin 2000
R Wilman 2002
A Charlton 2003
Thanks for looking
Initials Surname Years
L Barratt 1960
G Bridgland FR 1960
T Carey 1960
R Day 1960
Fawcus 1960
E Jackson FR 1960
Lyde 1960
M Marsh 1960
A.S O'Brien 1960
E Parker 1960
R Read 1960
T Shaw IRE 1960
G Spann 1960
Sutherland 1960
Weston Evans 1960
T.H Yates 1960
P Beasley 1961
Bonaventure FR 1961
P Carter FR 1961
H.T Cross 1961
E Davey 1961
J.S Evans 1961
E Goddard 1961
Langley 1961
B Mavroleon 1961
Payne Gallway 1961
Reardon 1961
J Stevens 1961
R Stone 1961
J Clayton 1962
P Dawson 1962
Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
T Gates 1962
E Pollet FR 1962
C Pratt 1962
J Spencer 1962
R.G.A Vallance 1962
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963
L Dale 1963
E Fellows FR 1963
D Griffiths 1963
S James 1963
A Kerr 1963
J Lieux 1963
P Moore 1963
Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
G Watson FR 1963
C Davies 1964
G Kennedy 1964
D Rayson 1964
E Barker 1965
C Crawley 1965
R Greenhill 1965
R.A Moore 1965
J Power 1965
P Smyth 1965
Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966
E Foster 1966
M Hurley IRE 1966
J Thompson 1966
J Walsh 1966
M Clement FR 1967
C.H Davies 1967
D Jenkins 1967
P Ransom 1967
G.N Robinson 1967
H Whiteman 1967
R Wilson 1967
W Denson 1968
F Freeman 1968
L Hall 1968
J Hartigan 1968
E Jones 1968
P Kearns IRE 1968
C Taylor 1968
A Bastiman 1969
N Bradley 1969
D Williams 1969
W Charles 1970
T Hollowell 1970
S Norton 1970
M Connolly IRE 1971
P Lallio FR 1971
A Stevens 1972
C Magnier IRE 1973
T Masterson 1973
Wallace 1973
W Gill FR 1974
H Nugent 1974
H Williams 1974
A Dalton 1975
M Goswell 1975
G Stephenson 1975
S Supple 1975
D Dale 1976
A Paus FR 1976
G Phillippeau FR 1976
R Supple 1976
H Westbrook 1976
B Wise 1977
Mrs N Birch 1978
P Lallie FR 1978
E Beeson 1979
D Boutier FR 1979
A Demetriou 1979
B Secly 1979
W.H Williams 1979
M Fogarty IRE 1980
P Read 1980
J Douglas Home 1981
G Fletcher 1981
J Gilbert 1981
C Wildman 1981
J Cann 1982
D Tucker 1982
M Bolton 1983
E Witts 1983
J Harty IRE 1984
B Stevens 1984
G Gaines 1985
M Lambert 1985
D O'Donnell 1985
J De Chevigny FR 1986
R Howe 1986
R Hutchison 1986
R Nicholls 1986
T Clout 1987
T Gallagher 1987
J Beguigne FR 1988
W Brooks 1988
R Connolly IRE 1988
W Williams 1988
L Codd 1989
J.R Shaw 1989
M.J Charles 1990
G.H Eden 1990
J.D Roberts 1990
M O'Neill 1991
A Harrison 1992
M Dixon 1994
R.W Emery 1994
Mrs L.A Murphy 1994
J.R Arnold 1997
Mrs A.E Johnson 1998
B.C Morgan 1998
N Hamilton 1999
R.F Marvin 2000
R Wilman 2002
A Charlton 2003
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George Bridgland FR 1960
Tommy Carey 1960
Reginald Day 1960
Marcus Marsh 1960
Rufus Beasley 1961
Percy Carter FR 1961
Vernon Cross 1961
Peter Payne Gallway 1961
Jeremy Clayton 1962
Peter Dawson 1962
Etienne Pollet FR 1962
L Dale 1963
Eric Fellows FR 1963
Alec Kerr 1963
Colin Davies 1964
Jimmy Power 1965
Pat Smyth 1965
C.H Davies 1967
Peter Ransom 1967
Harry Whiteman 1967
Les Hall 1968
Earl Jones 1968
Pat Kearns IRE 1968
Dai Williams 1969
Steve Norton 1970
Henry Nugent 1974
Harvey Westbrook 1976
Ben Wise 1977
Mrs N Birch 1978
Pierre Lallie FR 1978
Bernard Secly 1979
Phil Read 1980
Jamie Douglas Home 1981
Johnny Gilbert 1981
Barry Stevens 1984
Ralph Emery 1994
Tony Charlton 2003
Tommy Carey 1960
Reginald Day 1960
Marcus Marsh 1960
Rufus Beasley 1961
Percy Carter FR 1961
Vernon Cross 1961
Peter Payne Gallway 1961
Jeremy Clayton 1962
Peter Dawson 1962
Etienne Pollet FR 1962
L Dale 1963
Eric Fellows FR 1963
Alec Kerr 1963
Colin Davies 1964
Jimmy Power 1965
Pat Smyth 1965
C.H Davies 1967
Peter Ransom 1967
Harry Whiteman 1967
Les Hall 1968
Earl Jones 1968
Pat Kearns IRE 1968
Dai Williams 1969
Steve Norton 1970
Henry Nugent 1974
Harvey Westbrook 1976
Ben Wise 1977
Mrs N Birch 1978
Pierre Lallie FR 1978
Bernard Secly 1979
Phil Read 1980
Jamie Douglas Home 1981
Johnny Gilbert 1981
Barry Stevens 1984
Ralph Emery 1994
Tony Charlton 2003
I think A Bastiman was Robin's dad, but his name was Deryck, so I don't know what the 'A' stood for.
(The other) Syd Dale was a composer and arranger, and was musical director of the program Six Five Special in the 1960's, so that's perhaps where L Dale got his name from.
I wouldn't be sure that HT Cross was Vernon Cross. The latter was always V Cross in racecards.
hi ged, Syd Dale was definitely Mr L S Dale. Not much help as I have no idea what the L stood for.
Syd Dale trained Mill House, and Black Justice (and Mr M Prescott(7), I think)
I have posted some obscure trivia on here over the years, but this one takes irrelevance to hitherto unheard of heights ( or is that depths?) ....
Syd Dale started training 5 miles from Gary Moore's Woodingdean yard. Syd trained Plummers Plain to win the Whitbread. Plummers Plain is a village less than one mile from Gary's current Lower Beeding yard.
Remember where you heard it
Syd Dale started training 5 miles from Gary Moore's Woodingdean yard. Syd trained Plummers Plain to win the Whitbread. Plummers Plain is a village less than one mile from Gary's current Lower Beeding yard.
Remember where you heard it
I think the french trainer is Miguel Clement. He was defo training about that time and has a son who is also a trainer.
Phonsie O Brien
Tommy Shaw
Mick Hurley
Mick Connolly
Michael Fogarty
Tommy Shaw
Mick Hurley
Mick Connolly
Michael Fogarty
Ged almost certainly correct re H T CROSS (who trained at East Ilsley at that time) Vernon Cross trained in Hampshire (Stockbridge I think) and I think he was V B Cross.
Dennis Rayson - had Persian War at the end of his racing career.
VB Cross sounds right. I think he trained at Stockbridge all his career - Atty Persse's old yard? I don't remember HT Cross at all.
Carrod's intial was L, but I don't know what it stood for.
He trained the 4th horse in the 1974 Cheltenham Trial Hurdle (which became the 'Bula', before being bastardized). The first 3 were Comedy Of Errors, Lanzarote, and Attivo. (There were only 4 runners, and Mr Carrod's horse started at 200/1).
He trained the 4th horse in the 1974 Cheltenham Trial Hurdle (which became the 'Bula', before being bastardized). The first 3 were Comedy Of Errors, Lanzarote, and Attivo. (There were only 4 runners, and Mr Carrod's horse started at 200/1).
Mr Carrod's horse was a half brother to Altesse Royale('68), Imperial Prince('71), Royal Saint('64) and Yaroslav('69), who were all either Group 1 or Group 2 class, 3 of them for Noel Murless.
Continuing a fascination theme - in attempting to google L Carrod, I hit this link..
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Eric_The_Bear/supreme-novice-hurdle-runners-of-the-1980s
..it's a Sporcle quiz asking you to name Supreme Novices runners from the 1980s. It's a bit effing difficult imho.
Still don't know what the L is for. His son rode for him - L Carrod(7) (!)
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Eric_The_Bear/supreme-novice-hurdle-runners-of-the-1980s
..it's a Sporcle quiz asking you to name Supreme Novices runners from the 1980s. It's a bit effing difficult imho.
Still don't know what the L is for. His son rode for him - L Carrod(7) (!)
Only just come to this thread ...
L Codd -
LIAM sprang readily to mind... not 1.01 on it, though.... that might have been the Jockey.
L Codd -
LIAM sprang readily to mind... not 1.01 on it, though.... that might have been the Jockey.
thanks guys, still a hundred left Onlooker, majority which I must admit passed me by as I was growing up it seems, most I don't even have a vague recollection of to go with a guess, this is what is left
Initials Surname Years
Fawcus 1960
E Jackson FR 1960
Lyde 1960
E Parker 1960
R Read 1960
G Spann 1960
Sutherland 1960 think it is too old to be Fergus
Weston Evans 1960
T.H Yates 1960
Bonaventure FR 1961
J.S Evans 1961
E Goddard 1961
Langley 1961
B Mavroleon 1961
Reardon 1961
J Stevens 1961
R Stone 1961
Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
T Gates 1962
C Pratt 1962
J Spencer 1962
R.G.A Vallance 1962
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963
D Griffiths 1963
S James 1963
J Lieux 1963
P Moore 1963
Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
G Watson FR 1963
G Kennedy 1964
E Barker 1965
C Crawley 1965
R Greenhill 1965
R.A Moore 1965
L Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966
E Foster 1966
J Thompson 1966
J Walsh 1966
C.H Davies 1967
D Jenkins 1967
G.N Robinson 1967
R Wilson 1967
W Denson 1968
F Freeman 1968
J Hartigan 1968
C Taylor 1968
A Bastiman 1969
W Charles 1970
T Hollowell 1970
S Norton 1970 before Steve's time I thought
A Stevens 1972
T Masterson 1973
Wallace 1973
W Gill FR 1974
H Williams 1974
A Dalton 1975
G Stephenson 1975
S Supple 1975
D Dale 1976
G Phillippeau FR 1976
R Supple 1976
Mrs N Birch 1978
E Beeson 1979
D Boutier FR 1979
A Demetriou 1979
W.H Williams 1979
G Fletcher 1981
J Gilbert 1981
C Wildman 1981
D Tucker 1982
M Bolton 1983
E Witts 1983
J Harty IRE 1984
G Gaines 1985
D O'Donnell 1985
J De Chevigny FR 1986
R Howe 1986
R Hutchison 1986
R Nicholls 1986
T Clout 1987
T Gallagher 1987
J Beguigne FR 1988
W Brooks 1988
R Connolly IRE 1988
W Williams 1988
J.R Shaw 1989
G.H Eden 1990
J.D Roberts 1990
M O'Neill 1991
A Harrison 1992
M Dixon 1994
J.R Arnold 1997 the name Rupert springs to mind, anyone confirm..?
Mrs A.E Johnson 1998
N Hamilton 1999
R.F Marvin 2000
Initials Surname Years
Fawcus 1960
E Jackson FR 1960
Lyde 1960
E Parker 1960
R Read 1960
G Spann 1960
Sutherland 1960 think it is too old to be Fergus
Weston Evans 1960
T.H Yates 1960
Bonaventure FR 1961
J.S Evans 1961
E Goddard 1961
Langley 1961
B Mavroleon 1961
Reardon 1961
J Stevens 1961
R Stone 1961
Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
T Gates 1962
C Pratt 1962
J Spencer 1962
R.G.A Vallance 1962
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963
D Griffiths 1963
S James 1963
J Lieux 1963
P Moore 1963
Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
G Watson FR 1963
G Kennedy 1964
E Barker 1965
C Crawley 1965
R Greenhill 1965
R.A Moore 1965
L Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966
E Foster 1966
J Thompson 1966
J Walsh 1966
C.H Davies 1967
D Jenkins 1967
G.N Robinson 1967
R Wilson 1967
W Denson 1968
F Freeman 1968
J Hartigan 1968
C Taylor 1968
A Bastiman 1969
W Charles 1970
T Hollowell 1970
S Norton 1970 before Steve's time I thought
A Stevens 1972
T Masterson 1973
Wallace 1973
W Gill FR 1974
H Williams 1974
A Dalton 1975
G Stephenson 1975
S Supple 1975
D Dale 1976
G Phillippeau FR 1976
R Supple 1976
Mrs N Birch 1978
E Beeson 1979
D Boutier FR 1979
A Demetriou 1979
W.H Williams 1979
G Fletcher 1981
J Gilbert 1981
C Wildman 1981
D Tucker 1982
M Bolton 1983
E Witts 1983
J Harty IRE 1984
G Gaines 1985
D O'Donnell 1985
J De Chevigny FR 1986
R Howe 1986
R Hutchison 1986
R Nicholls 1986
T Clout 1987
T Gallagher 1987
J Beguigne FR 1988
W Brooks 1988
R Connolly IRE 1988
W Williams 1988
J.R Shaw 1989
G.H Eden 1990
J.D Roberts 1990
M O'Neill 1991
A Harrison 1992
M Dixon 1994
J.R Arnold 1997 the name Rupert springs to mind, anyone confirm..?
Mrs A.E Johnson 1998
N Hamilton 1999
R.F Marvin 2000
Rupert (JR) Arnold is correct
Currently Chief Exec of the NTF
Currently Chief Exec of the NTF
Mike O'Neill trained at Lydiate near Southport where I think Paul Green now trains from
Alan Harrison but I think full name is David Alan Harrison
Some, 'Off the top of my head' ....
JACK Fawcus
Colonel WILFRED Lyde
Edward (TED) Parker
Robert (BOB) Read
Grant? Spann
Edward (TED) Goddard
Edward (TED) Gates
Major RICKY Vallance
COLIN H Davies - trained Persian War
DAVID Jenkins
JOE Hartigan
Arthur? (MONTY) Stevens
JOHNNY Gilbert
CHRIS? Wildman
M(ick) JOHN Bolton ..... held the licence for Auriol Sinclair - when women were not allowed a Trainer's Licence.
RAY Howe
Grant? H Eden
J Dave? Roberts
MIKE O'Niell
Martin? Dixon
R Frank? Marvin
JACK Fawcus
Colonel WILFRED Lyde
Edward (TED) Parker
Robert (BOB) Read
Grant? Spann
Edward (TED) Goddard
Edward (TED) Gates
Major RICKY Vallance
COLIN H Davies - trained Persian War
DAVID Jenkins
JOE Hartigan
Arthur? (MONTY) Stevens
JOHNNY Gilbert
CHRIS? Wildman
M(ick) JOHN Bolton ..... held the licence for Auriol Sinclair - when women were not allowed a Trainer's Licence.
RAY Howe
Grant? H Eden
J Dave? Roberts
MIKE O'Niell
Martin? Dixon
R Frank? Marvin
Mrs L A Murphy is nothing to do with Anabel King - it's Louise Murphy, then wife of Pat Murphy, who set up briefly in a yard owned by Jim Nevile in south Wales.
E Beeson is Giles Beeson - trained Mons Beau, who won the Northumberland Plate.
I thought Steve Norton started training in the 1960's, though probably didn't have a big time horse for some years.
I thought Steve Norton started training in the 1960's, though probably didn't have a big time horse for some years.
Apologies for my wrong guess about Mrs Murphy.
I think Annabel King is married to Aiden Murphy, so sometimes goes by the name Murphy, or King-Murphy.
I think Annabel King is married to Aiden Murphy, so sometimes goes by the name Murphy, or King-Murphy.
Fergie Sutherland started training in 1957 - he took over Carlburg stables in Newmarket on the death of Joe Lawson, for whom he had been working. He trained the winner of the Queen Mary in 1958.
Beguigne is Jean-Marie. He trained Saint Andrews and Indian Rose in the late 1980's.
Jacques de Chevigny. He trained The Wonder in the early 80's - won several group races in France and the US over 8-10f. Piggott won the Greffulhe on him, and Eddery the Jacques Le Marois.
Gérard Philippeau trained Vitiges before he moved to Peter Walwyn.
J Thompson is probably Jimmy Thompson who trained the David Robinson horses in '66-67 before Paul Davey and Michael Jarvis were given the job.
A Stevens would be Monty, trained Vilgora. Presumably his name was Archibald - hence 'Monty'.
I remember that years ago where the trainers name should be you would have private
Max Bonaventure trained Val de Loire to win the Prix Jockey Club in 1962. He sent over Wild Risk to run 3rd in the Goodwood Cup in '61, Balto to win the Ascot Gold Cup in '62, and later trained Le Bavard, another top stayer.
P Lallie is Philippe, not Pierre. He sent over Star Bird to win the Challenge Stakes at Newmarket in 1976.
Not sure about J Lieux.
Alexandre Lieux trained the winner of the 1000gns in 1950, and an A Lieux trained the winner of the Prix du Jockey Club in 1967.
Alexandre Lieux trained the winner of the 1000gns in 1950, and an A Lieux trained the winner of the Prix du Jockey Club in 1967.
As for Mavroleon, there was Basil Mavroleon, who owned the winner of the Chester Vase in 1955, and also owned the first horse trained by Sir Gordon Richards in 1954. He was a Greek shipping magnate, but I can't find any reference to him training.
...he had a son - Manuel Basil Mavroleon - known as 'Bluey', so maybe he had a little go at it.
Turns out Mr Lieux is a Joesph, won the 47 Oaks with Imprudence
Some more using info from a 1988 Directory of the Turf:
Raymond Hutchison
John Richard Shaw
Barry Stevens
William Williams (son of current trainer Ian I believe) - that's the 1988 Williams.
And confirming MJ Bolton is shown as Michael John.
H Nugent was indentified earlier, but the full name given in the Directory is too good not to mention
David Hugh Lavallin Nugent K.M. K.H.S.
According to 'other details' K.M. stands for Knight of Malta and K.H.S stands for Commander of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem
Raymond Hutchison
John Richard Shaw
Barry Stevens
William Williams (son of current trainer Ian I believe) - that's the 1988 Williams.
And confirming MJ Bolton is shown as Michael John.
H Nugent was indentified earlier, but the full name given in the Directory is too good not to mention
David Hugh Lavallin Nugent K.M. K.H.S.
According to 'other details' K.M. stands for Knight of Malta and K.H.S stands for Commander of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem
From memory, I think W Charles was Walter.
And Steve Norton was training in the early 70's - his name appears in the trainers list of my earliest Timeform Racehorses Annual, 1972, training in Barnsley.
And Steve Norton was training in the early 70's - his name appears in the trainers list of my earliest Timeform Racehorses Annual, 1972, training in Barnsley.
Thanks to everyone for their assistance, broke the back of it now, less than 60 left to identify, could be that those left were all small operations that had only a handful of runners between them.
Still to identify
Initials Surname Years
E Jackson FR 1960
Weston Evans 1960
T.H Yates 1960
J.S Evans 1961
Langley 1961
Reardon 1961
J Stevens 1961
R Stone 1961
Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
C Pratt 1962
J Spencer 1962
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963
D Griffiths 1963
S James 1963
P Moore 1963
Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
G Watson FR 1963
G Kennedy 1964
E Barker 1965
C Crawley 1965
R Greenhill 1965
R.A Moore 1965
L Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966
E Foster 1966
J Walsh 1966
G.N Robinson 1967
R Wilson 1967
W Denson 1968
F Freeman 1968
C Taylor 1968
T Hollowell 1970
T Masterson 1973
Wallace 1973
W Gill FR 1974
H Williams 1974
A Dalton 1975
G Stephenson 1975
S Supple 1975
D Dale 1976
R Supple 1976
Mrs N Birch 1978
D Boutier FR 1979
A Demetriou 1979
W.H Williams 1979
D Tucker 1982
E Witts 1983
J Harty IRE 1984
G Gaines 1985
R Nicholls 1986
T Gallagher 1987
W.G.A Brooks 1988
Mrs A.E Johnson 1998
N Hamilton 1999
Think the pair of Supple's probably held the licence after Peter went to Hong Kong in 75, but unable to find confirmation.
Still to identify
Initials Surname Years
E Jackson FR 1960
Weston Evans 1960
T.H Yates 1960
J.S Evans 1961
Langley 1961
Reardon 1961
J Stevens 1961
R Stone 1961
Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
C Pratt 1962
J Spencer 1962
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963
D Griffiths 1963
S James 1963
P Moore 1963
Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
G Watson FR 1963
G Kennedy 1964
E Barker 1965
C Crawley 1965
R Greenhill 1965
R.A Moore 1965
L Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966
E Foster 1966
J Walsh 1966
G.N Robinson 1967
R Wilson 1967
W Denson 1968
F Freeman 1968
C Taylor 1968
T Hollowell 1970
T Masterson 1973
Wallace 1973
W Gill FR 1974
H Williams 1974
A Dalton 1975
G Stephenson 1975
S Supple 1975
D Dale 1976
R Supple 1976
Mrs N Birch 1978
D Boutier FR 1979
A Demetriou 1979
W.H Williams 1979
D Tucker 1982
E Witts 1983
J Harty IRE 1984
G Gaines 1985
R Nicholls 1986
T Gallagher 1987
W.G.A Brooks 1988
Mrs A.E Johnson 1998
N Hamilton 1999
Think the pair of Supple's probably held the licence after Peter went to Hong Kong in 75, but unable to find confirmation.
Mrs A E Johnson is the daughter of Nick Embiricos - she was briefly married to the commentator Mark Johnson and trained in Newmarket.
I think the A stands for Alexandra, but she was usually known as just Alex.
D Tucker is David Richard Tucker.
I think the A stands for Alexandra, but she was usually known as just Alex.
D Tucker is David Richard Tucker.
A S O'Brien - Alphonsus (Phonsie), brother of M V O'Brien (Vincent).
Guy Bonaventure - french trainer
G N Robinson - Probably GW (Willie) Robinson, rider of Mill House, Team Spirit etc.
Guy Bonaventure - french trainer
G N Robinson - Probably GW (Willie) Robinson, rider of Mill House, Team Spirit etc.
Fairly sure G N Robinson was a North of England, or Scottish, even, trainer -
George flashed into my mind - although, not sure.
Don't think he is ex-jocxey G W (Willie), though.
George flashed into my mind - although, not sure.
Don't think he is ex-jocxey G W (Willie), though.
G N Robinson was training at a yard in Beal, Northumberland in the early 70's, and afaik, Willie Robinson returned to Ireland when he retired from riding and trained over there.
Mr D.Dale it transpires was involved with training part of the Terry Ramsden string, ring any bells with anyone...?
I think T Gates was Tom Gates, rather than Ted.
From Chris Pitt's book, Tom Gates was a greatr grandson of William I'Anson (owner-trainer of Blair Athol and Blink Bonny), and trained in lewes, having worked for Towser Gosden. Bobby Elliott rode for him.
From Chris Pitt's book, Tom Gates was a greatr grandson of William I'Anson (owner-trainer of Blair Athol and Blink Bonny), and trained in lewes, having worked for Towser Gosden. Bobby Elliott rode for him.
There was a Dick Langley training in the 50s, so he may be your 1961 man.
a Tom Yates trained the 5th (Flaming Steel) in the 1949 Grand National, so he could be the 1960 TH Yates.
ged right again. definitely Tom Gates. Think he had the stables up the lane north of the prison.
Charlie Pratt trained at Uplands, in Lambourn. He was killed in a plane crash in 1962 on his way home from saddling Songedor to win the William Hill Gold Cup at Redcar.
Yes Tom Gates. Appeared in H.i.Training. as T. I'anson Gates
Jack Reardon
Joe Stevens
Mark Dixon
Jack Reardon
Joe Stevens
Mark Dixon
David Dale. Trained his first winner (Spy Net) on Jan 25, 1974 at Doncaster.
Tommy Masterson
David Dale (son of L. Syd Dale)
J.S. Evans was known as Stuart Evans
Tom Corrie
Alf Dalton
Hugh Williams
Billy Williams
Bill Denson
David Dale (son of L. Syd Dale)
J.S. Evans was known as Stuart Evans
Tom Corrie
Alf Dalton
Hugh Williams
Billy Williams
Bill Denson
Hi Cork. This might help with research on the older ones, even though does not provide answers. The source is Copes Encyclopaedia from 1960/1961/1962(last year) and Tote Racing Annual from 1965(1st after the war)and 1966. The Cope's gives telephone numbers if you want them but neither volume gives Christian names.
I have listed the entries as they exist in these volumes along with the year they appear. The ones left blank do not appear in any volume as a trainer.
Hope this helps a bit.
E Jackson FR 1960
Weston Evans 1960 – J Weston-Evans - 61
T.H. Yates 1960 – T H Yates Wantage - 61
J.S. Evans 1961
Langley 1961
Reardon 1961 – J M Reardon Ermyn Lodge Epsom 62
J Stevens 1961 – J A Stevens Epsom - 62
R Stone 1961 – R V Stone – Exning Newmarket - 61
Everitt 1962 – S W Everitt Droitwich Worcs - 62
B.S Foster 1962 – B S Foster Holland House Newmarket - 62
C Pratt 1962 - C H Pratt Lambourn - 62
J Spencer 1962 – J Spencer Weyhill Hants -65
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963 – W Combes Newmarket -65
D Griffiths 1963 – P J Griffiths? Epsom - 62
S James 1963
P Moore 1963 – R P J Moore? Savile House Newmarket - 62
Moroney 1963 – M J Moroney Somerville Lodge Newmarket - 62
W O'Brien 1963 – W O’Brien Middleham - 62
G Watson FR 1963
G Kennedy 1964 – G G Kennedy Upper Lambourne - 62
E Barker 1965 – E Barker - 65
C Crawley 1965 – C Crawley Newmarket - 65
R Greenhill 1965 - R Greenhill Bracknell - 62
R.A Moore 1965 – R A R Moore? Lewes - 62
L Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966 – T Corrie Shrewsbury - 65
E Foster 1966 – B S Foster? Holland House Newmarket - 62
J Walsh 1966 – J Walsh Priory Stables Wakefield - 62
G.N Robinson 1967 – G N Robinson Berwick on Tweed - 62
R Wilson 1967 – R Wilson East Ilsley - 62
W Denson 1968 – W Denson Newmarket - 66
F Freeman 1968 – A Freeman? Newmarket - 66
C Taylor 1968 – C J Taylor Rearsby Leics 62
but neither volume gives Christian names. I have listed the entries as they exist in these volumes along with the year they appear. The ones left blank do not appear in any volume as a trainer.
Hope this helps a bit.
E Jackson FR 1960
Weston Evans 1960 – J Weston-Evans - 61
T.H. Yates 1960 – T H Yates Wantage - 61
J.S. Evans 1961
Langley 1961
Reardon 1961 – J M Reardon Ermyn Lodge Epsom 62
J Stevens 1961 – J A Stevens Epsom - 62
R Stone 1961 – R V Stone – Exning Newmarket - 61
Everitt 1962 – S W Everitt Droitwich Worcs - 62
B.S Foster 1962 – B S Foster Holland House Newmarket - 62
C Pratt 1962 - C H Pratt Lambourn - 62
J Spencer 1962 – J Spencer Weyhill Hants -65
Brazier 1963
W Combes 1963 – W Combes Newmarket -65
D Griffiths 1963 – P J Griffiths? Epsom - 62
S James 1963
P Moore 1963 – R P J Moore? Savile House Newmarket - 62
Moroney 1963 – M J Moroney Somerville Lodge Newmarket - 62
W O'Brien 1963 – W O’Brien Middleham - 62
G Watson FR 1963
G Kennedy 1964 – G G Kennedy Upper Lambourne - 62
E Barker 1965 – E Barker - 65
C Crawley 1965 – C Crawley Newmarket - 65
R Greenhill 1965 - R Greenhill Bracknell - 62
R.A Moore 1965 – R A R Moore? Lewes - 62
L Carrod 1966
T Corrie 1966 – T Corrie Shrewsbury - 65
E Foster 1966 – B S Foster? Holland House Newmarket - 62
J Walsh 1966 – J Walsh Priory Stables Wakefield - 62
G.N Robinson 1967 – G N Robinson Berwick on Tweed - 62
R Wilson 1967 – R Wilson East Ilsley - 62
W Denson 1968 – W Denson Newmarket - 66
F Freeman 1968 – A Freeman? Newmarket - 66
C Taylor 1968 – C J Taylor Rearsby Leics 62
J Harty was probably John same family as Eddie and Sabrina. GN Robinson was not Willie but George rings a bell
Geoffroy Watson - trained many good horses in the 50s and 60s. Best was perhaps Exbury, who won the Arc in 1963, in addition to the Coronation Cup, Prix Ganay and Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud.
Are you sure "E Jackson" is the trainer's name, and not the last part of the owner's name? (staff error poss)
RF Marvin is known as Bomber - he's in Newmarket working on a stud - in fact I could do with getting in touch with him and getting my horses passport off him!
N Hamilton 1999 is Nigel Hamilton, trained for a few years in Epsom at the yard now used by Jim Boyle.
Durose - Close!! Green, White stripes and armlets, Orange cap.
Am I right in saying that Tom Corrie, mentioned in the original post was the trainer of Comedy Of Errors on the flat
forgotmyusername:-
Yes. Here's a piece from the RP from August '99:-
TONY Jarvis, who raced Comedy Of Errors on the Flat before selling the 1975 Champion Hurdle winner to Fred and Mercy Rimell, has died at the age of 83, writes Graham Green.
Jarvis, who was chief veterinary officer at Ludlow and Hereford racecourses for many years, bought Comedy of Errors as a yearling and put him into training with the late Tom Corrie near Telford, Shropshire.
He was rewarded with two successes before he struck a deal with the Rimells for the then four-year-old.
Jarvis, who owned other less distinguished racehorses, specialised in equine matters, and from his Shropshire practice catered for the needs of
13 small racing stables in the county.
He was so devoted to his work at Ludlow and Hereford that he worked at the two tracks until he was 75-and would have continued, had not a chance remark reminded the authorities that the official retirement age was 70.
Yes. Here's a piece from the RP from August '99:-
TONY Jarvis, who raced Comedy Of Errors on the Flat before selling the 1975 Champion Hurdle winner to Fred and Mercy Rimell, has died at the age of 83, writes Graham Green.
Jarvis, who was chief veterinary officer at Ludlow and Hereford racecourses for many years, bought Comedy of Errors as a yearling and put him into training with the late Tom Corrie near Telford, Shropshire.
He was rewarded with two successes before he struck a deal with the Rimells for the then four-year-old.
Jarvis, who owned other less distinguished racehorses, specialised in equine matters, and from his Shropshire practice catered for the needs of
13 small racing stables in the county.
He was so devoted to his work at Ludlow and Hereford that he worked at the two tracks until he was 75-and would have continued, had not a chance remark reminded the authorities that the official retirement age was 70.
H Williams 1974 is Hugh
A Dalton 1975 is Alf
R Supple 1976 is Roy
D Dale 1976 is David
S Supple 1975 is Harry (HS Supple)
A Demetriou 1979 is Andy
W H Williams 1979 is known as Charlie (trained at Ayr)
D Tucker 1982 is Donald
E Witts 1983 is Eric
G Gaines 1985 is George
R Nichols 1986 is Bob
T Corrie 1966 is Tom
A Dalton 1975 is Alf
R Supple 1976 is Roy
D Dale 1976 is David
S Supple 1975 is Harry (HS Supple)
A Demetriou 1979 is Andy
W H Williams 1979 is known as Charlie (trained at Ayr)
D Tucker 1982 is Donald
E Witts 1983 is Eric
G Gaines 1985 is George
R Nichols 1986 is Bob
T Corrie 1966 is Tom
I am indebted to you all for your assistance, over 2/3rd's now identified, have added a few previously omitted, to the outstanding list
Initials Surname Years
E Barker 1965
Mrs N Birch 1978
F Black 1962 new
D Boutier FR 1979
Brazier 1963
W.G.A Brooks 1988
L Carrod 1966
W Combes 1963
C Crawley 1965
S W Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
E Foster 1966
W Gill FR 1974
R Greenhill 1965
D Griffiths 1963
T Hollowell 1970
E Jackson FR 1960
S James 1963
A Johnson 1977
A Jones 1972
G Kennedy 1964
Killick 1963 new
A Klimscha 1972 new
A.J McNae 1999 new
P Moore 1963
R.A Moore 1965
M J Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
A Spanu 1992
J Spencer 1962
G Stephenson 1975
R Stone 1961
A Taylor 1972
C Taylor 1968
Wallace 1973
J Walsh 1966
J Weston Evans 1960
R Wilson 1967
Thanks to everyone that has contributed
Initials Surname Years
E Barker 1965
Mrs N Birch 1978
F Black 1962 new
D Boutier FR 1979
Brazier 1963
W.G.A Brooks 1988
L Carrod 1966
W Combes 1963
C Crawley 1965
S W Everitt 1962
B.S Foster 1962
E Foster 1966
W Gill FR 1974
R Greenhill 1965
D Griffiths 1963
T Hollowell 1970
E Jackson FR 1960
S James 1963
A Johnson 1977
A Jones 1972
G Kennedy 1964
Killick 1963 new
A Klimscha 1972 new
A.J McNae 1999 new
P Moore 1963
R.A Moore 1965
M J Moroney 1963
W O'Brien 1963
A Spanu 1992
J Spencer 1962
G Stephenson 1975
R Stone 1961
A Taylor 1972
C Taylor 1968
Wallace 1973
J Walsh 1966
J Weston Evans 1960
R Wilson 1967
Thanks to everyone that has contributed
Basil Selwyn Foster
Stanley James
Arthur Jones
Albert Klimscha
Angus McNae
Reginald Moore
Maurice Joseph Moroney
Antonio Spanu
Chris Taylor
George Wallace
James Walsh
Robert Wilson
I think L Carrod was Les but not certain.
Stanley James
Arthur Jones
Albert Klimscha
Angus McNae
Reginald Moore
Maurice Joseph Moroney
Antonio Spanu
Chris Taylor
George Wallace
James Walsh
Robert Wilson
I think L Carrod was Les but not certain.
There was a Daniel Boutier training in France in the early 90's according to info on the official French racing website.
Nice going, TMan, there's quite a few amongst that little lot that I've never even heard of.
Marcus Marsh Colonel Wilfred Lyde Tom Yates Ernie Davey Ted Goddard Colonel Peter Payne Galway Jack Clayton John Gilbert Etienne Pollet Colin Davies Pat Smyth Les Hall Jack Hartigan A Derek Bastiman Steve Norton Harry Whiteman Jamie Douglas Home J Rupert Arnold Jack Cann Mick Lambert Liam Codd Alistair George Charlton
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