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[b]Pre-Race.....

1.08    £57,067         £111,307         
1.09    £100,276    £352,917        
1.10    £91,166         £397,206         
1.11    £85,965         £103,754         
1.12    £51,229         £107,925         
1.13    £58,190         £329,723         
1.14    £22,007         £535,834         
1.15         £34,920    £112,307         
1.16         £30,603    £42,884         
1.17         £23,418    £13,316         
1.18         £27    £6,843
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Report megsy February 16, 2013 9:42 AM GMT
didnt frankel wait until so you think retired before he took on 10f?? just asking Wink
Report megsy February 16, 2013 9:43 AM GMT
bannahan...i agree, fcuk fighting past battles for you
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 9:43 AM GMT
can someone with a similar pea-brain to this quadwit explain to me what this factor up term means, please and thank you
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 9:44 AM GMT
It doesn't make sense, the whole world of horse racing competing for the biggest prizes and somehow this place down in the middle of nowhere that don't even take part in these big races somehow are the best, sorry but this is illogical.
Report megsy February 16, 2013 9:45 AM GMT
captain....your not very knowelegable
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 9:48 AM GMT
oh right, as long as you have your own taking on and beating your own and not competing with  the best but winning they are 'wonder horses' this is quite frankly bullsh*t but coming from you lot I guess we shouldn't be surprised.
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 9:49 AM GMT
"Quadwit" LaughLaugh


Another convict dragged up by his "uncle" LaughLaugh
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 9:51 AM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 9:48AM, Captain Christy wrote:


oh right, as long as you have your own taking on and beating your own and not competing with

Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 9:51 AM GMT
What happens when the beaten horses travel overseas and win?
Report megsy February 16, 2013 9:52 AM GMT
feels like im reading a pommy version of romper room Laugh
Report megsy February 16, 2013 9:53 AM GMT
every lightning stakes winner who has traveled to england have won either the kings stand or the jubilee or both, what does that tell you?
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 9:55 AM GMT
Sadly it seems that you have fallen for the hype from your own media, there is very little to compete against down there, short of moving the country up to the northern hemisphere (and rest assured no one wants that) you will never compete at the top level so best stfu.
Report BJT February 16, 2013 9:55 AM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 9:39AM, Captain Christy wrote:


I just can't conceive how when we have U.S, French, British and Irish horses regularly competing for the biggest prizes against each other we somehow are meant to believe that Aussie horses are better, it can only make sense to an Australian I guess.


Poor **** has never seen a map.  rotflmfao.

Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 9:57 AM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 9:55AM, Captain Christy wrote:


Sadly it seems that you have fallen for the hype from your own media, there is very little to compete against down there, short of moving the country up to the northern hemisphere (and rest assured no one wants that) you will never compete at the top level so best stfu.


monumental seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeethe

Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 9:57 AM GMT
Sorry, the map that puts AUSTRALIA at the centre of the universe is only available in your country.
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 9:58 AM GMT
what is the seethe, that is just plain common-sense, very ease if you use your brain and try not to apply Aussie logic.
Report megsy February 16, 2013 9:59 AM GMT
captain, dont you realise your getting spanked?Wink
Report BJT February 16, 2013 10:00 AM GMT
umm the map that shows that British/French/Irish horses travel less distance than Victorians travelling to Melbourne map.  International superstars you have rotflmfao.
And you do know the difference between the northern and southern hemispheres right?  Ridiculous, ignorant pom.  lol
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 10:00 AM GMT
no, when did that happen?
Report megsy February 16, 2013 10:01 AM GMT
pmsl Laugh i give you credit !
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 10:02 AM GMT
Is this an Australian thing to ask a question that makes no sense, please enlighten me about the northern hemisphere thing?
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 10:05 AM GMT
BJT.

Did you have much of those famous Aussie dollars on @ 1.14


ROFL
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 10:07 AM GMT
you **** they bet you 1.14??

fk sake CryCry
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 10:12 AM GMT
I wouldn't back that mule with your filthy money, let alone my hard earned Queens Pounds.

You **** ffs LaughLaugh
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 10:14 AM GMT
I guess poor old BJT must have been filling in his knowledge of what the northern and southern hemispheres are, or is this just another case of Aussies 'spanking', I guess we'll never know.
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 10:16 AM GMT
BJT..... Eagerly googling "world maps" LaughLaughLaugh
Report BJT February 16, 2013 10:17 AM GMT
Oh Im sorry.  I was busy doing something else.  Sorry to rub it in.  rotflmfao
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 10:18 AM GMT
Never mind, you can't help it.
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 10:21 AM GMT
Must have been too busy drinking the best beer in the world, while watching the best horses in the world, on the best TV in the world, in the best country in the world. LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report BJT February 16, 2013 10:22 AM GMT
lol I certainly wasn't sitting here watching this forum waiting for something to happen.  Enjoy.Laugh
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 10:23 AM GMT
Busy banging his sister LaughLaugh
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 10:32 AM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 10:23AM, bannahan wrote:


Busy banging his sister


she does have a nice ass in all fairness

Report AFL February 16, 2013 10:48 AM GMT
The closest Frankel will ever get to Black Caviars @rse would be in the breeding barn......

As long as he has a shower first.

And she'd still finish in front of him.
Report Stan2 February 16, 2013 10:57 AM GMT
it's a little early to be drinking , atl ,isn't it ,  or are you yet another classless antipodean ?
Report aberdonia February 16, 2013 10:58 AM GMT
Black Caviar is an exceptional race horse

however she is a sprinter, no one gives a flying phuck these days about sprinters.

maybe campaign her in Europe over a number of races,  doubt she would remain unbeaten when running against
Europe's poor sprinters.

If she was running in the 80s against our sprinters of that era she would get hammered.  Proper Group 1 horses used to run in our sprints.  Not anymore.
Report aberdonia February 16, 2013 11:00 AM GMT
just off on a tangent, but aussie tv is great.  Not politically correct in any way.

Breakfast tv is very funny.  I particularly  enjoy Karl Stefanovic.
Report dave1357 February 16, 2013 11:01 AM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 6:44AM, BJT wrote:


Everybody?  rotflmfao.  No.  Just the English.Prize money is why horses race.  Fact.  Not a false god at all.  Colts race to win prize money, to stand at stud, for people with mares who want to produce offspring, to win prize money.  Prize money is racing.  And there is no rubbishing English racing that I can do that isn't the truth.  Hey lets all race a horse in England where cheating, fraud, and race fixing is all accepted as part of racing.  rotflmfao.  Mugs.


Where does the prize money come from? Mug Aussie punters!

Report AFL February 16, 2013 11:08 AM GMT
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1

No flat horse in the world has had that form line since 18??.....almost 200 years of racing.

From the millions of horses that have raced world wide in that time.

And dont come back with the ridiculous bit about only beating the same and or inferior horse.

If it is so easy to get that form line by dodging the best or  whatever......why has only one other horse in the history of flat racing achieved this feat?


Simply the best modern day racehorse .
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 11:09 AM GMT
GBR Diamond Jubilee Stakes (2012)
VRC Newmarket Handicap (2011)
VRC Lightning Stakes (2011, 2012, 2013)
VRC Patinack Farm Classic (2010, 2011)
ATC T J Smith Stakes (2011)
MVRC William Reid Stakes (2011)
BTC Cup (2011)
MRC C. F. Orr Stakes (2012)
MVRC Australia Stakes (2010, 2012)
MRC Schillaci Stakes (2010, 2011)
MVRC Schweppes Stakes (2010, 2011)
VRC Danehill Stakes (2009)
Report Dr Gonzo February 16, 2013 12:02 PM GMT
Where did your mighty Frankel run to prove the doubters wrong?  100 kms from home?  So that is where you need to prove yourself to be a champion, within a 100km radius of Ascot?

Frankel's home was Newmarket, and I'm pretty sure Doncaster, York and Newbury are all over 200km from there. hth
Report Dr Gonzo February 16, 2013 12:04 PM GMT
And before the Aussies start, I fully agree that she is a top top class horse, and I'm very glad I got to see one of the all-time greats when she came to Ascot.
Report EastLower Gooner February 16, 2013 12:20 PM GMT
Darn it....feel asleep. Been a looooong week @ work.

Anyways...Happy she broke the track record. I remember when Special set it....serious tailwind back in the day.

Went close last year to doing it vs Hay List so happy she did it this year.

Good luck to them and whereever they decided to take her this year.

I would've thought California in October would be right up her street. The downhill 6 would be fun fun fun.
Report topfarrier February 16, 2013 12:29 PM GMT
Nobody cares about sprinters,failed milers,equine vermin or whatever you want to call them........best left to the Aussies and Hungarians imo.

They don't know any better.
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 12:38 PM GMT
The Romanians could use her imo.

FINDUS could release a new " Black Caviar " deluxe pancake Laugh
Report topfarrier February 16, 2013 12:42 PM GMT
I 'd say it's 1.01 she has 'unfit for human consumption' stamped on her passport bannahan....Whoops
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 12:45 PM GMT
Indeed TF... Like most from that dump
Report topfarrier February 16, 2013 12:49 PM GMT
The'll eat most things tbf.....but i expect they will draw the line at any food that glows in the dark!
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:01 PM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 12:02PM, Dr Gonzo wrote:


Where did your mighty Frankel run to prove the doubters wrong?  100 kms from home?  So that is where you need to prove yourself to be a champion, within a 100km radius of Ascot?Frankel's home was Newmarket, and I'm pretty sure Doncaster, York and Newbury are all over 200km from there. hth


Newmarket to:
York 172 miles = 275 kms
Doncaster 132 miles = 211.2
Ascot 90 miles = 144
Newbury 121 miles = 193.6
Goodwood 137 miles =219.2

Frankels Career in Distance travelled.
0
211.2
144
0
193.6
144
219.2
144
193.6
144
219.2
275
144
2031.8 kms travelled to race in his whole career. 

Yeah a well travelled world beater.  Not at all kept under cotton wool.

Report bannahan February 16, 2013 1:11 PM GMT
5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

5f

WONDERful stuff.

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:14 PM GMT
Funnily enough, our smallest state, is nearly the size of your whole country.  Tasmania at 91,000km2, compared to England 130,000km2.  No wonder you bastards are so miserable.  Can't even imagine 50 million people living in Tassie.  rotflmfao.
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:16 PM GMT
Don't you guys have 5f races over there?
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 1:19 PM GMT
Keep biting son... Nothing better than a bitter seething Aussie LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 1:20 PM GMT
You see, there are the finest European horses that can compete for the big prizes here they only need to travel to the U.K which they frequently do if they have a chance, whereas you lot have only got who to compete with? Papua New Guinea?
Report AaJay February 16, 2013 1:21 PM GMT
Henry Cecil Frankels trainer is old school--even in his pomp he only occasionally travelled his horses to France--the Uk pattern built up over 150 odd years would be perfect for him---he would have worked out Frankels agenda to his benefit and raced whoever turned up
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
THE unbeaten Australian champion Black Caviar has provoked scenes never before witnessed on a British racetrack.

Hours before the first race on the final day of the country's showpiece Royal Ascot meeting, a massive Australian contingent has gathered to cheer for their hero who is attempting to win her 22nd race from as many starts.

Officials expect five-thousand Australians at the track 40 kilometres south-west of London among the biggest fifth-day crowd in more than 100 years, and witnesses say the enthusiasm far exceeds that of day one of the meeting when the world's highest rated racehorse, Frankel, scored an 11-length victory.


Biggest crowds in 100 years to see a sprinter run?  Bigger than day 1 for Frankel?  Yet nobody in England gives a **** about sprinters?  Or nobody gives a **** about your sprinters because they are all useless?
Hard to argue with the facts.
Report Brownes Gazette would have won February 16, 2013 1:22 PM GMT
Guys, surely BC should be celebrated, 23 and zero is an astonishing record. Injured or not, coming to the opposite side of the world at the end of a very long season and winning at Royal Ascot was a superb achievement. That the owners are very sporting and keep her in training should also be applauded. Why, when she has just put in another superb performance, do many find the need to start to crab the horse? What is the point in comparing her to Frankel (another superb horse); it is like comparing Messi to Bobby Moore. Just celebrate her while she's here.

Incredibly her winning time and again gets people slating each others countries; what's that about??
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 1:23 PM GMT
I hear New Zealand give the Colonials some stiff competition LaughLaugh
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:24 PM GMT
BJT, all you need to say is that the most winning-est horse in the world currently resides in Australia, bred in Australia, trained in Australia.

and long may their seethe continue LaughLaugh

anyway why would you travel overseas when the prize money is inferior, let alone the competition, makes no sense to me
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:25 PM GMT
Makes no sense to anybody really.  As little sense as not travelling for more prize money when you are sitting on the best horse in the history of the world.  rotflmfao
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 1:26 PM GMT
"Winning-est"


Another Colonial dragged up by dingos LaughLaughLaugh
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 1:26 PM GMT
Bannahan, the most pitiful thing is that they genuinely believe this bullsh*t fed to them by their own media.
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:26 PM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 1:21PM, AaJay wrote:


Henry Cecil Frankels trainer is old school--even in his pomp he only occasionally travelled his horses to France--the Uk pattern built up over 150 odd years would be perfect for him---he would have worked out Frankels agenda to his benefit and raced whoever turned up


He was entered in the 10f race, dodged it, and said after the race he had been crying out for the 10f trip.  rotflmfao.  Pick and choose the weakest field and then run it is the reality.

Report AaJay February 16, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
Agree totally with you Brown Gazette--was at ascot to see her--great day and though really a jumps man it was one of my best days racing--mentioned this earlier on this thread and its degenerated into nationalistic stuff
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
seeeeeeeeeeeethe

look guys, I can't handle your seething for much longer, I do have a heart, I am beginning to have pity on the lot of you, you all wish a single horse would bring the crowds to an otherwise non-event but you know how it is, we're simply the best in the world
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:27 PM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 1:26PM, Captain Christy wrote:


Bannahan, the most pitiful thing is that they genuinely believe this bullsh*t fed to them by their own media.


No, we believe the stop watch.  Which you guys choose not to use.  In races.  rotflmfao

Report bannahan February 16, 2013 1:27 PM GMT
C'mon Aussie, C'mon LaughLaughLaugh
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:29 PM GMT
they can't believe the stop watch because their races are ran on paddocks installed with a bit of railing, the undulations make it so no 2 tracks are the same

back in Australia, we provide the best racing conditions for the best animals, why?

I don't know, we must be the best
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 1:29 PM GMT
I guess they'll soon be building up their cricketers as representative of their master race next LaughLaughLaugh
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:30 PM GMT
no wonder so many fkn horses break their legs in england
Report AaJay February 16, 2013 1:31 PM GMT
actually a lot of british horses seem to find the melbourne cup tough and come back jarred up
Report BJT February 16, 2013 1:32 PM GMT
At the end of the day, we will watch our best race horse, ummmm, race, and put it on the line, and you guys can watch your best race horse, ummm, do what exactly?  rotflmfao

And yes SC, the state of the Wincanton paddock is unfit for me to walk on, let alone race horses on it.  Can't believe how little they respect their animals over there.
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:32 PM GMT
don't worry if it makes you breathe easy the other super hero sprinter will be coming back soon, he'd trounce your sprinters as well let's make no mistake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PiKWy7IllU
Report bannahan February 16, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
Clueless


Classless


Colonial


LaughLaughHappyHappyLaughLaugh
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:35 PM GMT
okay okay, maybe Hay List isn't going to be at his best, maybe this sprinter can trounce your sprinters too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBZqZ_pnv5s
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:37 PM GMT
ffs BJT we got too many superstar horses here, it's not really fair
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 1:39 PM GMT
It's like the king of the anthill telling everyone he rules the world Laugh
Report Marcce February 16, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
Hey lets all race a horse in England where cheating, fraud, and race fixing is all accepted as part of racing.

Hmmm 2 champion jockeys in Australia have recently been banned for the things you are describing and I've read Australian media describing it as the tip of the iceberg.

The lid is about to come off the same thing in the 2 biggest sports in your country.

You lot should be even more unsure than we are that what you're seeing is real.
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:41 PM GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a9hnNzQrrg

11 out of 11 and he's maybe the 3rd best sprinter in Australia

CryCry
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:43 PM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 1:40PM, Marcce wrote:


Hey lets all race a horse in England where cheating, fraud, and race fixing is all accepted as part of racing. Hmmm 2 champion jockeys in Australia have recently been banned for the things you are describing and I've read Australian media describing it as the tip of the iceberg.The lid is about to come off the same thing in the 2 biggest sports in your country.You lot should be even more unsure than we are that what you're seeing is real.


That's a load of crap too, 1 team in the AFL is probably going to be found guilty and through the sports scientist at that 1 club other clubs in Rugby League are linked, without the sport scientists links, it's probably not even a news story

Report Apologist February 16, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
BJT is bitter about everything.

He cannot enjoy Black Caviar for the champion she is instead he takes her winning, and others enjoying it, as a chance to spout of angry bile filled nonsense.


I suspect his father failed to praise him when he was a child.

I also think he has a very red angry face.

Grin
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:47 PM GMT
Stephen Dank is his name, look the name up, all the links to performance enhancing drugs come through him and his past at other clubs

if I can be serious for a minute, the government royally **** the reputation of Australian sport with their media conference, many believe it was all a political act, given the time of it, we have an election later this year and I am sure as ****, there's going to be a change in government, she's obviously going to all stops to save herself and get re-elected.

anyway, back to the clips.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6LRW5BBGew
Report Marcce February 16, 2013 1:48 PM GMT
You reckon?

There were some astonishing finishes in last season's NRL weren't there? Could scarcely be seen to be believed some of them.
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 1:51 PM GMT
I can't tell you that match fixing doesn't go on, no one can tell you that I suppose but it's not even half as bad as the government made it look in that media conference
Report Marcce February 16, 2013 2:02 PM GMT
It'll be interesting to see what develops and I hope you're right in what you're saying.
Report BJT February 16, 2013 2:05 PM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 1:48PM, Marcce wrote:


You reckon?There were some astonishing finishes in last season's NRL weren't there? Could scarcely be seen to be believed some of them.


Astonishing finishes?  They happen.  I hardly think anybody fixing an NRL game will wait until the end to try and produce a miraculous finish.

As for:
Marcce • February 16, 2013 1:40 PM GMT
Hey lets all race a horse in England where cheating, fraud, and race fixing is all accepted as part of racing.

Hmmm 2 champion jockeys in Australia have recently been banned for the things you are describing and I've read Australian media describing it as the tip of the iceberg.

The lid is about to come off the same thing in the 2 biggest sports in your country.

You lot should be even more unsure than we are that what you're seeing is real.

They are everywhere and I never claimed anything was clean.  But the difference is we don't accept it.  We don't call it race tactics and bet on it.
If there was 100k dollars bet on a horse here that was run dead as the pacemaker running 100% for 50% of the race then expecting the field to try to run around it without falling off their mount the **** would never ride again, the trainers would never train again, and the owners would probably lose that privilege too.

You guys call it tactics and think it is fine to bet on a horse that has zero chance of winning a race.  And not only that, some of the time it is there to lose the race, and to put other horses out of the race.

Fraud, insider trading, are a couple of terms that spring to mind.  Not only is it a joke, but the majority of you not only accept it, but claim it to be the epicentre of the world of racing. 

But yes, where there is money, there is greed, and temptation, and no doubt there are quite a few races where we are rorted.  I don't even really bet on harness racing any more over here.  When you have 1 family making up 50% of the race in regards to drivers, trainers, that are married, brothers, sons, daughters, etc etc, then I won't go near it.  My father used to train a few, and on a few occassions the driver he was paying to drive his horse told him not to even bother going to the bookie ring because it wasn't his turn, needless to say he drove them himself after that.

My eyes are well open.  But we sure as hell don't accept it as being right.

Report Marcce February 16, 2013 2:22 PM GMT
BJT you're getting confused between pacemakers and non triers.

When a pacemaker is in a race over here everyone knows what it's role will be. Some people may have a speculative bet on it because there've been instances where the pacemaker has managed to win but that doesn't apply to many.

There was a spell a few years back where Coolmore seemed to be using horses not just to set the pace but also to hinder fancied horses at crucial stages. Thankfully the apparently blatant nature of those tactics seems to have largely disappeared.

And you only have to look at this forum on any given day to know that there are plenty on here that don't accept race fixing or fraud as right.
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
Why do they allow "team riding", that's the term given here, why is it allowed?

If you're a small nobody trainer with a horse who's a sit and sprint type, you get a big stable with a horse running rampant up front setting it up perfectly for the stayer at the back of the pack who can only win off a hot tempo, surely that questions the integrity of racing.
Report BJT February 16, 2013 2:26 PM GMT
Who knows?  Where is it written that the horse is being ridden dead?
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 2:27 PM GMT
what I am trying to say is that the little trainer with the little stable has no chance while these team riding practices are taking place
Report BJT February 16, 2013 2:31 PM GMT
Little stables over there don't have a chance.  They should feel privileged that these billionaires even let them watch while they are having their play time.

The class system at work.  And while their masters are treating them like dirt, they sit there and defend it as right. 

Sad place.
Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 2:37 PM GMT
There are many, many small trainers here making a good living from the game, some of whom started with virtually nothing. So, please as we have had to remind you many times before do some research first rather than flaunt your ignorance.
Report SecondComing February 16, 2013 2:38 PM GMT
Why is team riding allowed?
Report BJT February 16, 2013 2:38 PM GMT

Feb 16, 2013 -- 2:37PM, Captain Christy wrote:


There are many, many small trainers here making a good living from the game, some of whom started with virtually nothing. So, please as we have had to remind you many times before do some research first rather than flaunt your ignorance.


Just because you write something on the internet, doesn't make it true.  They are making what their masters allow them to make.  Simple as that.  They are little play things.

Report Captain Christy February 16, 2013 2:40 PM GMT
Yeah ok then, bloody 'ell I'm glad you are on the other side of the argument Laugh
Report BJT February 16, 2013 2:46 PM GMT
Don't overestimate yourself.  You have to have said something relevant to be involved in an argument, otherwise you are just wasting space and trying to make noise.
Report Marcce February 16, 2013 2:59 PM GMT
In recent years Classics over here have been won by the likes of Michael Bell, William Haggas, Geoff Huffer and Ed Dunlop. None of those could be considered as huge stables at the time

Does the bloke with 2 horses training on a farm somewhere in Lancashire have a chance? No not really but that's down to resources just as Australia will always win more Olympic medals than Sierra Leone. Again that has nothing to do with team tactics and is purely due to resource.

And with regards to pacemakers BJT trainers will nearly always say before the big races if a horse is in there to make the pace or will be running on it's own merits.
Report BJT February 16, 2013 3:10 PM GMT
Of course they will.  No point if they don't tell anybody.  How will they know to put the bets on if they aren't told which ones are running dead?
Report ohyouknowdoya February 16, 2013 3:12 PM GMT
This must qualify as the ultimate boring thread, who stated it eh, oh onlookerPlain
Report onlooker February 16, 2013 6:54 PM GMT
Yes - I DID Start this thread ...

as a  SENSIBLE 'State Of Play/'In-Running/Post race REPORT on Black Caviar  .... as reproduced below.

- for which nobody bothered to Thank Me.Sad

I THEN  left the thread when the 'Lunatics took over the Asylum'.

SO - DON'T GO BLAMING ME.Sad

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onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:28 

[b]Pre-Race..... MATCHED

1.08            £111,307         
1.09            £352,917       
1.10            £397,206         
1.11            £103,754         
1.12            £107,925         
1.13            £329,723         
1.14            £535,834         
1.15            £112,307         
1.16             £42,884         
1.17             £13,316         
1.18              £6,843


onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:31
Betfair Starting Price:     1.14

onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:32 
WON - 3 lengths - Eased.

onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:33 
FLEMINGTON  COURSE RECORD

Stood since 1988

onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:37 
Trainer saddles ... 1st - 2nd - and 3rd

1st $300,000, 2nd $90,000, 3rd $45,000,

onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:38 
1000 metres - 5 Furlongs

55.42 secs

onlooker 16 Feb 13 05:48
SECTIONALS ...

Last 3 x 200 metres (Furlong)

10.21 secs
10.17 s
11.05 (Eased)
Report AaJay February 16, 2013 7:27 PM GMT
and I have no idea what rotflmfao means-----QED
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