There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
20 Oct 12
17:27
Joined:
Date Joined:
05 Jan 10
from Sea-Bird 145
Brigadier Gerard 144
Tudor Minstrel 144
Brigadier Gerard 144
Tudor Minstrel 144
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 353
|
By:
Cirrus Des Aigles better than Dancing Brave then ?
|
|
By:
What Sea Bird would have done to today's field doesn't bear thinking about.
|
|
By:
You should throw Arkle in to the mix as well bigust1 he loved the heavy ground.
|
|
By:
My point AD is that these organisations should be treated with contempt. That is how they treat us. They think they know better. And they don't.
|
|
By:
Arkle was probably better on fast actually. His best performance imo was at Sandown on hard.
|
|
By:
We should all do away with ratings and follow Brigust. He is obviously an all time great!
 |
|
By:
I have the racecard SS. Magnificent performance.
|
|
By:
Just HOW can people be crabbing Frankel at all is beyond me
 I can understand the frustration at his connections for not being more ambitious but to pick holes in his form is just CRASS! You don't appreciate quality at all...can someone tell me a horse who's been a champion at 2, 3 & 4 throughout history that's remained unbeaten? |
|
By:
Sea Bird would have been beaten , as would BG DB TM MR STS and any other you care to add.
|
|
By:
Absolutely right Evil. First thing I would do is lay a hall of fame at headquarters. A marker for every great racehorse and a full list of their achievements. The one thing we have other sports haven't is a golden history to be celebrated. But what do the commercial organisations and TV pundits do? Run it down.
|
|
By:
Ignore them all NG. They love to be antagonistic. They wouldn't accept that it is Sunday tomorrow.
|
|
By:
Was Ribot a champion the three seasons he raced?
It'd have been a big ask to expect him to have been a champion juvenile too! |
|
By:
I would be the first to whack anyone pulling down the achievements of all past champions. I put my mortgage on The Brigadier, backed Sea Bird when he won the Derby, Sea the Stars in the Arc and Dancing Brave in the same. I loved them all as they were simply fantastic horses. This fellow however makes great horses look pedestrian. The best I have seen irrespective of any opinion. I concede that we are all entitled to an opinion. I would like to be able to sit around a table in a decent pub and talk all night with those who both agree, and disagree. One thing we ALL have in common, we love horses and horse racing. PS I hate football and footballers! Loathsome bsatards
 |
|
By:
The Frankel career accumulated 14 timer at SP for a £100 stake can now be cashed in at....
£9,264.14p Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing  Happy retirement |
|
By:
|
|
By:
 This should get a reaction? |
|
By:
Good post,EVILROY.
I've grudgingly come round to the fact that that this is the greatest flat horse I've seen in 50 years of following racing. |
|
By:
BJT. Insect.
|
|
By:
Thank you Flyingbolt. You were the second best I have seen next to Arkle! We have seen some racing between ourselves I reckon!
|
|
By:
Frankel is the most impossible horse I've seen to criticise and to do so is utterly insane!
What he's done on the course (not what might have been) is bewildering! Every race, a joy to behold, and no fannying around with narrow margin victories. His form is cast-iron solid despite what his detractors say about yardsticks well in rear...if Queally had wanted to, the margins of victory in EVERY race could have been far greater, and I've never seen (or even heard of) any horse capable of that! Bombproof under any conditions and the most frightening aspect is that he's probably even better than some of his most ardent fans believe! AND NOBODY would doubt his ability to have got the 12f if he'd have tried it on decent ground. What more do some people want? I suspect there were loads today desperately wanting him to lose, which means the great debate will roll on for many years to come! The 'schadenfreuders' will be absolutely gutted after today |
|
By:
Correct!
|
|
By:
So you are suggesting that when he is pushed out and his furlong times diminish to mediocre when done so prove that he could have won by more? Every race? Really?
How so? |
|
By:
Frankel 14 races 14 Wins
Won 10 Group 1's Cumulative winning margin 76 1/4 lengths; Beat 23 separate Group 1 winners,who won 52 Group 1's between them |
|
By:
"I've grudgingly come round to the fact that that this is the greatest flat horse I've seen in 50 years of following racing"
Well said Bolty...you're not foolish enough to ignore what's smacking you in the face, though others are |
|
By:
AD. I would be surprised if he has beaten 52 different horses in 14 races tbh....
|
|
By:
|
|
By:
Prize Money £2,998,300
|
|
By:
http://www.attheraces.com/form.aspx?id=2614870&ref=cardmain&dte=&refsite=&npl=yes
|
|
By:
lol. That much prize money? Woooooo... Must be the most ever?
|
|
By:
I never thought I'd ever see anything to rival Dancing Brave (though sea The Stars not far behind in my view) but Frankel's 4yo performances have me convinced that Harwood's monster wouldn't have seen his arse for dust!
PS - I can't be arsed debating with the Aussie contingent as I'm a big fan of Black Caviar and don't want to criticise her...you guys are just looking for an argument! |
|
By:
Juddmonte Farms@JuddmonteFarms
Frankel in numbers: 14 / 14; 10 G1's; cumulative winning margin 76 1/4 lengths; 23 separate G1 winners beaten, boasting 52 G1's between them Juddmonte Farms@JuddmonteFarms Frankel winning the Champion Stakes - his last ever race! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Sid0fqd_4 … Juddmonte Farms@JuddmonteFarms Frankel wins his tenth Group 1 by claiming the Champion Stakes beating off Cirrus Des Aigles. The superstar has now been officially retired. |
|
By:
I have seen worse
 |
|
By:
Where is the link AD?
|
|
By:
BJT
If you can't appreciate how good Frankel is I feel sorry for you. |
|
By:
Evilroyslade - you hit the nail on the head. By having the opinion that Frankel is the best there's ever been, its doesn't follow on that you're dismissing the rest like Brigust seems to think is the case. He has been on a one man campaign to crab Frankel for ages and the fact he has took such a stand means he would NEVER change his mind regardless of what the horse does or it makes him look silly.
Dancing Brave was the horse that got me interested in racing, i've got a massive soft spot for him but i wouldn't rate him within 7lbs of Frankel, that doesn't detract from what DB achieved it just shows what a freak of a horse Frankel was. |
|
By:
Do you really think frankel would have given 7lb to Dancing Brave over 10f ? i think Frankel better but 7lb is like an eclipse
|
|
By:
|
|
By:
pity he never raced outside the UK ...if you're being touted as the best in the world -you should get to see more of it.
|
|
By:
Why are people feeling the need to compare him to Black Caviar?
Frankel has beat nothing, in a nation full of nothing races, worth nothing prize money. Who cares if he has beaten 20 G1 winners when those horses won nothing G1 races themselves? 14 races, probably raced no more than 30 different horses. |