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23 Sep 12
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Betfait lv is ahead of SIS at both Uttoxeter and Gowran park. Wtf is going on ?
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great if that is the case s&c .
how are you comparing the speeds , do you work in a betting shop or have a friend who does ? |
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DOUBLED 21 Sep 12 15:49 Joined: 15 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 498 | Blogger: DOUBLED's blog
SiS has slowed down not the LV speeding up Seen this posted the other day, thought he was fishing. Must be final nail in coffin for exchange shops and home SIS users. If not a the track these days might as well be in the house |
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moved premises its a temporary thing
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Have SIS in front of me rcing. Out of curiosity wanted to see how far I was ahead on lv,to say was amazed was actually behind is an understatement. Have tried all 3 SIS tracks TODAY numerous times and lv is a split second possibly .1 or .2 secs ahead of SIS.
Surprised a lot more hasn't been mentioned about this. Cannot see SIS's reasoning behind slowing their pics,have everything to lose and nothing to gain. |
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Just been reading a forum about these ''live pics'' frightening i say frightening the amount of money still been won daily in-running even the 190 man gets a mention. This is how serious it is. This is how serious this is even darts,snooker and such up to seven seconds in front of ''live'' on Sky
I am looking to set up a syndicate of five people for ******** ****** package which will cost each member £300 set up fee then £1000 per month. |
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even ahead of S.I.S
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Someone said that the ********* company is the same one Betfair use...2 things then why are betfair slower...answer that myself..internet signal is slower...but does it break up like it does on Betfair...bad advert for the company..no go would be my advice to the syndicate
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AD have you come over all strange and need a sit down?
what are you talking about man? |
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never know whether its his comment or something hes dragged up from a dark corner of the internet
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Have no idea what you're on about AD.
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I is on about a 'fast-pic' forum out there, i'll show you some snippets from it.
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Now Shhh till i start posting...no interruption please..i post 5 pieces..and i'll **** the companies name because i ain't been paid to advertise...hic...os is it sic?
No.1 I think its appalling that companies like ******** are allowed to tout fast internet based horse racing pictures. This is damaging horse racing liquidity because a small sector is able to afford the high cost and have an advantage over other horse racing bettors. Its one thing using the wifi facilities on the race courses themselves but quite another for a commercial organisation to harvest feeds and sell them on at a high price. I'm not even certain that what they're doing is legal. Their service, called '+++++ Club' is doing racing a huge disservice in order to satisfy their own greed. |
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Yes, I've done lots of comparisons and in both the Win and Place markets, the in-play horse racing markets show a decline year on year. IMO its a combination of a number of factors: (a) there is a general slow-down in the economy (b) there was a boom in the in-play markets when it first started and everyone thought they'd be great race readers and then slowly it dawned on them that they weren't as hot as they thought and many drifted away (c) race courses started offering wifi in boxes to lure people to bet oncourse which made it more difficult for those at home or in exchange offices (d) the PC encouraged a number of marginal winners to either stop, move to another exchange or move to a bookie (e) there are significantly more small fields. |
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dont be coy AD
Cobain Ltd of Belfast |
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I have found Betfairs tennis feeds have improved a little especially tennis which i was watching on eurosport which was near impossiable before Betfairs impovements but ****** feeds worst case senario 4 seconds to 5. This may have changed a little since my trial. They do cover all sports most tournments by region packages (Gold) European, Nordic, Asia and Us. (Silver) European and Nordic (Bronze) European Cost has gone up since my trail now £7000, £6000 and £5000per month. A LOT IS AN UNDER STATEMENT! You can be in a syndicate of up to 10 people. Another big problem is they don't help put syndicates together. Hope this helps. |
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I was viewing **** IN PLAY on the darts matches tonight. It was 4.5 Seconds in front of sky. Looks quite good to me, although expensive |
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betfair subscribe to +++++ feeds, +++++ ltd bought out ******,..... offer two packages, one for bookmakers(watch and bet), and one for traders (watch and trade) see this link http://www. the runningball product is the feed for the other sports, volleyball etc very wierd that the traders (watch and trade) works fine, but the bookmakers one plays up ondaily basis!! dodgy hope that helps |
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Here's the company not that any of you plebs...sorry spellchecker...people can afford it
This is Betfairs crowd http://www.performgroup.co.uk/WhiteLabelChannels and this is the company that is ***** but you have to phone them http://www.cobainltd.com/ |
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Last one....
There was another guy who would lay at 2.04 for a few thousand when a horse fell and then he's also back at 1.30 when they were deat cert winners. He's stopped using that method - probably a track player these days. A good friend who made £50,000 a week from his feeds and SIS has been blown away completely. Shame. This all goes to show that if you find an edge, for god's sake make the most of it while you can because in this game nothing stays the same for long |
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highgosforthpark
Date Joined: 10 Sep 03 Add contact | Send message When: 23 Sep 12 15:08 moved premises its a temporary thing Lets hope it's a bit less "temporary" than Turf TV's slower pictures  |
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How close to "live" are The C0bain streamed horse racing pics ??
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Any idea when SIS will speed up again ?
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i think sky has increased its latency from 3 seconds to 6-7 seconds on sports in the last year, the same sporting events on fox etc are still 3 seconds delayed
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The above comments are pasted from the Gruss forum discussion on this topic.
Gary & Mark had to shut the thread down, as they received complaints that the comments posted were potentially libelous. |
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Gruss The ruination of betting on Betfair. I don't think when Bert had his eureka moment in the bath that he meant man against machine, i think like the rest of REAL horse racing punters we would rather study the form then press a button and head off on 2 weeks holidays. Bots destroyed Betfair, Fast pics also but you had to use your head a machine couldn't tell you when a horse has fallen or where the finishing line. Gruss Mmm! Do you remember when your gruss use to bring betfair to it's knees every day, and around 2.45pm on a saturday ?
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Let's just remind you. I love diggin up this story i must have posted it 300 times
 Betfair takes action against rogue 'bots' Ban for odds computer programs after punter bonanza Greg Wood The Guardian, Thursday 26 September 2002 Betfair, the internet's largest betting exchange, is expected to ban the use of automatic trading programs - known as bots - on its website, following a system crash that kept the site offline for two hours on Tuesday afternoon. The crash has highlighted a practice that has been going on for several months, much to the surprise of the vast majority of Betfair's regular clients, with one punter claiming that his computer program has made him hundreds of thousands of pounds. A bot is a computer program that can access a website and strike or lay bets, just as any human punter can. Unlike a regular punter, though, it does not need to eat, drink or sleep, and can request a web page several times a second. About a dozen Betfair clients are thought to have been using bots to scan the site for chances to bet overbroke, or otherwise gain a guaranteed edge on other users. They will now be warned to switch off their bots, or be banned from using Betfair's site. A Betfair spokesman said yesterday that Tuesday's problems were not caused directly by the use of bots on their site. However, the fact that a number of the programs were attempting to access Betfair dozens of times a second, while technicians were struggling to get it online, meant that the site was unavailable for much longer than would otherwise have been the case. The program responsible is believed to have been written by a Betfair user who regularly posts messages in the site's users' forum under the name "Gary". Although his claims are difficult to verify, he has stated that his bot has won him hundreds of thousands of pounds in recent months. He is also thought to have passed on his program to several other punters in recent weeks, increasing the strain on Betfair's servers. There are several ways in which a bot can suck the value from a robust and vibrant market such as Betfair. It is possible, for instance, to write a program that scans active markets looking for one that is momentarily "overbroke", allowing it to back every runner to return a small, but guaranteed, profit. The bot places the required bets automatically and instantly, and moves on to look for its next opportunity. Others can be programmed to notice obvious mistakes - a punter, say, who has tried to offer a horse at 2.0 in Betfair's digital odds system, and offered 2.2 instead. A bot could also be set up to back and lay consistently around a given price. Backing at 2.6 and then laying at 2.4, over and over again, would soon try the patience of most human punters, but a computer program does not get bored. "The result tends to be that there are lots and lots of very small bets going through, which are a pain for everybody concerned," Mark Davies, Betfair's spokesman, said yesterday. "And when we have a problem like we did on Tuesday, the program just keeps on trying to trade, asking the database questions which it is not in a position to answer. We're getting in touch with the account holders in question, and we would expect to make a statement on Friday morning." The bots are not merely a technical problem for Betfair. The site's image, as a place where punter meets punter in a battle of judgment and wits, is among its biggest selling points. A perception that its clients might in fact be taking on a bank of computers, or that it is pointless looking for serious value because a bot will always get there first, would be damaging. One problem for Betfair, though, is that a well-written bot will appear to be just another client logging on to the site. To be certain that no-one is using a bot, it may be necessary to study access and betting patterns over several days, or even weeks. "Depending on how well written a bot is, and if it doesn't hit the hell out of the server, it may be almost impossible to block it," said Glyn Wintle, chief technical officer of backandlay.com, an exchange which is due to launch in the next few months. "Over time, you can be pretty sure when someone's using a bot, but if someone's got a well-written program that means they can't lose, they'll probably think it's stupid not to run it." |
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steeringjobnap 23 Sep 12 23:03
The above comments are pasted from the Gruss forum discussion on this topic. Gary & Mark had to shut the thread down, as they received complaints that the comments posted were potentially libelous ------------- The program responsible is believed to have been written by a Betfair user who regularly posts messages in the site's users' forum under the name "Gary" Wouldn't be the same Gary? |
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I suspect that Bert knew fully that sharper, automated users were recquired for the site to be a success.
Bots are used to seed markets by such users; with recreational players then "fed" to them. |
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Nearly 10 years to the day of publication & the robots still trade here.
What does that tell you AD? |
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It tels me that BF like people paying PC (the more Bots the better for them).
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Well i know everyone uses them even same said firm.
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heard a rumour that betfair staff can "beat the delay" and trade from their offices .....i hope this is not true...bout time the subject of in running betting as regulated and looked into
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Well that rules out staff for Voler la vadette then
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"heard a rumour".
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it's a fact that hoovering is taking place i saw it on a football goals market the other day ...lo and behold 1sec later the goal went in
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What do you get from this Oirish mob Cobain for you 5k a month ? Streamed pictures must be really close to "live" to charge that sort of money.
Last Autumn in SIS on-line magazine they stated that their pictures would speed up "early in the new year" due to the use of fibre optic technology. Maybe they are just slowing them down first so that they can tell their customers they have speeded up this year |
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It strikes me that sis arnt as shrewd as ppl make out (the suggesting that they might potentially play a part in slowing or manipulating LV to get ppl to take home sis etc)
I inquired about the service and they responded by answering non of my questions, in fact the information they did respond with was inaccurate. When I returned suggesting they look again it was a full week before they got back to me with some ambiguous answer. Hardly fighting to take 8k a year off me. As for Gruss, I don't think it's exactly fair to suggest he destroyed berts dream. For a start there are other developers too, and secondly he simply made a product that speeded up the process of betting, which surely must be the standard for IR betting (if not then you really need to take a look at yourself IMO) betfair do very nicely out of it and its available to everyone and has advice how to use, if betfair was the revolution of the industry then surely nobody can denigrate gruss and bots for being an improvement on the original innovation. |
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SIS + picture faster than normal SIS yesterday in Ireland
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