1/8th the odds in the first at stratford yesterday

afternoon adge,did you manage to miss the gamble in the last yesterday?

no , certainly didn't , laid 40 each way at 28/1.
but this got softened when i laid 500 each way the willie mckay [ guest trained ] runner at 22/1.
had to stand the place..£8 at 6 and £5 at 5.6 on the place market on here.PITIFUL
stood it for six grand [ finished stone last ] and won 122 on the race
only excitement all day

on the plus side, you are only doing it cos you are in love with the game.

bob normally takes these bets and throws the money in the bag but as the last one won [20/1] he actually asked me if i wanted to take it , this time.

yes , timeless , but not enough in love to go to redcar today. but you're quite correct

Redcar is jonjo's fav track,

rip jonjo.

That Bob's absolutely fearless !

1/5th odds in 14 runner handicap today at Southwell. 119% at 1/4 ffs.

some don't go 1/4 in ANY race , gills nut. they're just laughing at the gambling commission's lack of knowledge or ability

gills,

That was one book - Ron Cooper, every other book was 1/4 and also unhappy at his decision - but unfortunately he is allowed to do it :(

Ron Cooper - One of the biggest imposters to ever step foot on a racecourse.... funny how it's the same books who never take a bet/had a liability of more than £50 on any horse ever that want to shaft the punters at every opportunity as well and kill the game for the few decent books left

Is the day of reckoning getting nearer adge ? Sorry we cant have a one to one soon to hear your views, bearing in mind the sensitive nature of answering on here.

Bit off track, but i've just come back from South Africa. I backed a horse at 30/1 in an 11 runner conditions event, asked for each way, my place part was laid at 11/4!! Seperate place books and all that!
Needless to say I decided to cancel the place part... Then to see it get beaten a short head!
Wonder if they were lining up to beat him up going 1/11th the odds and you pay tax!!!

i see it was brought up in the post today about jw,why on earth did they not name him ?

I really don't know jimnast.  It is not disputed that he did it.  What was in the post?

Perhaps what he needs is a cameraman on site and a journo sticking a mic in his face asking him what he thinks he's doing?

Jimnast,wonder why they never mentioned half a dozen at donnie on saturday

why , what happened at doncaster , dervish ?

wasnot

the post reporter pointed out bad pr for racecourse bookmakers.

there were only 7 books at hereford one of which was betting to 1/7th odds.

the reporter failed to point out 6 books bet all day to standard place terms whilst getting pis-ed wet threw.

adge

are you going to huntingdon on monday ?

adge

are you going to huntingdon monday ?

Cheers Jimnast.

Surely in a free market, you can offer whatever odds and place terms that you want?

If the buying public (arithmetically challenged types) don't understand fractions then so be it.

aberdonia

does that make it ok for the post to only point out the negatives about racecourse bookmakers ?

perhaps one day they might have a pop at the high street firms and online firms who advertise with them.

I agree with what you are saying. 

Unfortunately as the Post is being funded by the high street giants they will always have an agenda. 

Objectivity and the Post do not go together.

indeed they dont.

Just had a quick look at the Towcester card on Sunday and in the first race we could be in for a Jack Wilson world record.  I've seen him do 1/6th odds 1-2 in a 7 runner race before, but I rekon we could be in for a full monty 1/8th odds 1-2.  He could easily be 1/8th 1-2-3 in the second race too.  A couple of the later races could see the tiny dodgy EW sign come out too.  I'll keep you all posted.

jimnast ,
i'm going to redcar

Rain is forecast all over for Monday currently on the Met Office site.  Lets hope they are wrong.

Suggest bookmakers and PUNTERS alike, complain to the racecourse if they are unhappy with the trading terms offered by some outlets.  Although bookies are allowed to offer any terms in a free market i think you will find that the racecourse can exert some influence.  Look forward to hearing what happens.

thanks adge.


sugarsteve

thats just what we should be doing i do know areana/northern are not happy with whats going on and the more grief they get the better chance of them moving towards doing something about it.

I'm a bit disappointed to report that Jack Wilson only went 1/6th odds 1-2 in the first at Towcester.  I was convinced that he would go 1/8th 1-2.  However, he did make up for it later on with a 1/7th odds 123 when the rest of the ring were 1/5th 123 (and the place book was still over-round - clearly not enough for some though!!!)

Thank you wassy.
Did anyone make representation to the Racecourse?

he needs hanging tbh

I did see a rather animated conversation after the 1/7th odds race with the Betting Ring Manager.

was this between Peter and the BRM?
Was the BRm Neil?

Yes it was ss.  Couldn't hear what they were saying - too far away.

NP spoke with PW at fakenham regarding the last Towcester incident, a few weeks ago.  NP was acting as a middle man however PW was very defensive and altho not wishing to bully PW i do feel that a collective representation to the Racecourse would result in a change in PW's practices.  Otherwise others near him are forced to join him or not strike a bet!

That is the danger ss.  I was shocked at how many put up 1/6th 1-2 when he did!!!

Altho it is not my preferred choice i can only say from experience, it is the only practical option.  Betting to standard e/w terms is pointless and betting win only is not much better.

Looks like we will all be getting wet tomorrow.  Good Luck.

Yes, really looking forward to the Warwick Silver ring with just a small temporary marquee :(

Looks like a complete wash out today...:-(

Wassy,how about writing to various racecourses where Wilson bets and pointing out that their customers are being shafted by this villain and therefore creating a bad atmosphere....maybe suggesting that one of their staff visit the said rogue and see for themselves....maybe someone could post on here where all this skullduggery is going on and then all of us write to that r/c?When Wilson gets up to his tricks,post it on here and ALL the bookmakers on that particular day writes and complains and points out the damage he's doing.

Persistent complaints instead of all this moaning on here might bring results but it would need a concerted effort and not leave it to someone else.

For all his buffoonery I do recall McCririck going round the ring at Chester live on Channel 4 questioning each way terms and naming and shaming the rip off layers live on camera as he went along! It wouldnt happen nowadays im afraid but If a betting expert in the media was to highlight and explain all this to the public then the racecourses might begin to understand what you are all talking about on here. Ive followed this thread from the start and am certain that a few in authority have aswell and they must be blind, stupid or both if they cannot realise that it is industry professionals who are trying to protect and enhance the public's racecourse betting experience and therefore benefit the whole game. And in difficult times too I might add when it would all be too easy for everyone to copy the 1/8th business model and just make fast bucks and run.

Persistent complaints instead of all this moaning on here might bring results but it would need a concerted effort and not leave it to someone else.

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artful - good suggestions and support what you are saying, but do not underestimate the chances of every comment being read and printed. However I do believe it needs a voice from the betting media to speak loudly.

Also look the margins arent there and we all know that so I think the consensus is that it should be at least something standard so that when the public go racing they bet each way and each and everyone gets the same place terms to whatever odds they bet and whoever they bet with. If those terms have to be different to the standard off course terms (normal ones i mean not all the concessions and enhanced nonsense) then thats a different problem

good post dodger.

morning jimnast,we got in touch at the weekend and sorted it,thanks again.

your welcome ribero.

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is it dry redcar way

I have lots of bets with the bookmaker you are all moaning about.  He goes the biggest odds - I couldn't care less what his place terms are as I would rather back one or more to win.  What percentage of your bets are each way anyway ?  Seems to me you are trying to restrict the win odds to your own advantage.

My thoughts exactly Deano,i cant see what the books are complaining for.

At Towcester yesterday 90% of bets were each way.  Also, at least 90% will not have seen his little sign saying 1/7th odds.  If he bet win only I couldn't care less what odds he offered, its his money.

He goes the biggest odds

Only on the ones that are bigger on here.

But he is still bigger than the rest.

Only on the races where he goes the crooked EW terms.  If you want a win bet you will still get as big or better with the win only books.

What percentage of your bets are each way anyway ?

I'm not a bookie, but it's not exactly difficult to work out that the vast majority of bets the on-course boys take are EW

Anyway deano - if the business they do EW is so inconsequential as you make out, then why doesn't said bookmaker just bet win only, then this discussion wouldn't be going on.

MORE WORRYINGLY IMO ARE THE NUMBER OF ARBERS THAT NOW LINKED UP ONCOURSE,THE NUMBER OF BOOKS THAT WONT LAY A BET,HATE TO THINK WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR ONCOURSE BOOKMAKERS BUT I THINK I CAN GUESS,ALL RACECOURSES PICK 1 HILLS,PICK 2 LADS,PICK 3 BETFRED MAXIMUM LIABILITY£100,ANY LIABILITY OVER £200 HAS TO BE RUNG THROUGH TO HEAD OFFICE! RIP BRITISH HORSE RACING.

if betthread r no 3 then make the liability realistic please

Dr Gonzo - whilst there may be a number of ew bets, it's the stake comparison that's more relevant.  I bet the place stakes doesn't account for more than 20% of the total stakes taken on a day due to the fact that the win bets taken are probably bigger.  It can't be anywhere near 45% like wasnot is suggesting.

jack wilson made his first visit of the year to the north of england today.
he turned up at redcar ready to show off his new set of each way signs..black lettering on a green background.
he has a new set of 1/7th , 1/8th , 1/10th and his pride and joy a whopping 1/12th odds signs.

he did show a degree of patience in waiting for race three before weilding out the 1/7th sign . the yorkshire squire betting next to him didn't know what hit him as he only had a 1/6th sign

flushed with his success it wasn't long to wait before the 1/7th sign was back out again for race five.
race six he relaxed and only went to 1/5th in the 12 runner handicap.

i'm sure we can all look forward to more special offers at pontefract tomorrow

His missus says you can't have flactions either

The likes of Jocky get other books who trade at 'correct' terms a bad name but more importantly alienate the betting public with the strong likelihood they will not be caught twice. With racecourses being in a very competitive marketplace do they need the likes of Jocky undermining their product with his rip off terms. If the racecourses are not concerned  by this sharp practice then they most certainly should be !! Adge's previous post re: the new signs suggest the individual is hell bent on making the situation worse.

He won't bet trade anyway 545APG.  Perhaps we should invite Mr Gundill down to witness his customers being turned over at Ponte.  He'd love that.

Just read what you put apg - lol, missed it first time, must be tired.  8 races at Warwick in the driving rain on gypsy day can do that to you.

WASNOT,THE RACECOURSES DONT GIVE TWO HOOTS ABOUT PUNTERS GETTING RIPPED OFF(JUST LOOK AT THE PRICE OF A CUP OF TEA)THEY ARENT INTERESTED EITHER IN BOOKMAKERS ONLY HOW MUCH THEY CAN GET OUT OF THEM,THE END PRODUCT OFFERED BY THE BOOKMAKERS IS IRRELEVANT TO THE RACECOURSES

wassy if mr gundill was that way out mr wilson and his family of aliens would be frogmarched to the rear of the stand where a hastily convened firing squad would be pressganged into action .

timmy , timmy you are to logical debate what i am to ballet dancing .

yes Tim ,if those 3 bet in the ring where would they get the power for their FOBT s

KEITH YOU ARE TO INTERGALATIC RELATIONS WHAT I AM TO COMMISSION AGENTS.

PS KEITH "BE A MAN LAY ME EVENS"

SPOT ON BARNIE

intergalactic relations!!!! sounds a bit anal to me .

timmy daya hear about the little lad who went up to his mother and said " mummy mummy why are you white and im black " mother thought for a minute than mumbled "wow what a party that was , now run along and just be thankfull  you dont bark ".

Plenty at it yesterday at Plumpton
1/5 in the first when it should have
been 1/4
Mustn't  be happy with 130% in the place Market

Dogs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thank goodness it isn't everybody , hardy

and so to our friend at pontefract , today , a mixture of 1/5th , 1/6th on seven of the races  [ he's thrown the 1/4 odds sign in the bin ] but he got the biggest queue when he pulled out the attractive 1/8th odds each way sign for race 3. the public loved it.

there was just one complaint at the payout to report but it was only a brief shouting match but the punter was clearly not happy about something

One more customer lost to racecourse bookmakers adge.  More worrying for Pontefract if its one more customer lost to racing.  How long will they stand for having their customers driven away by the greed of this behaviour?

greed ?

what do you think of bookmakers having 2 pitches in one ring is that not greed.
or 2 compuiters on 1 joint is that not greed.

or is that the rules and regulations.

I fail to see the similarity between duping the public with snidey EW terms and operating more than one position.

From a personal point of view I believe it should be 1 man 1 pitch in each ring & I'd be quite happy to see that knocked on the head too.  However, I don't believe that a bookmaker having more than one pitch in a ring will drive punters away from the courses.

We are all in business to make money.  Cheating with the EW is just trying to make more by underhand means.

enforcing 1 man 1 pitch might weaken some rings

They should bring back public hanging in Ponty Market Place,asked one guy in the queue what he was gonna back and why, cos its 28/1 here and only 25s next door[1/5] after pointing out he was waiting to back it at 7/2 and would get 5s next door amazingly he waited and took the 28s [ho ho ho .racing for change

should read 7/2and 5/1 a place,know he has the win factor but not the place

there are loads at it now not just jw i can only thing those who cant get the wrong place terms out quick enough are struggling or are just not up to the job

the 2.00 at aintree tomorrow looks a fun each way race. watch this space..betfair odds are 1/12th the odds a place or worse

praying for a nr adge

bet £3.65 go a 1/4 odds for pennies

maybe jw is not as mad as you all think his recent purchase off a 1/12th odds display looks as if he was aware of the opening race at aintree

will he bet a 1/5th or a 1/6th on the grand national

Jockey will be fuming!  He doesn't have a pitch at Aintree so he can't use his 1/12th odds board just yet.

silly me

are you sure wasnot somebody told me today he bought tatts 49

He wanted to buy it but only ofered 1/12 the odds for it

ALL THIS FUSS OVER A TOTAL NON BUZZER,U HAVE TO LAUGH

Aintree revealed a new member of the 1/8 the odds a place a club ~ well done JOHN HAMILTON please step forward

3 weeks ago he bet at towcester 1/10 th a place and the punters carried on betting with him like lemmings.other books screaming out bet with us at correct place odds etc...they may as well have been speaking in russian.the moral of the story...99% of punters at the racecourse know  didly coz its just a day out for them.

The racecourse offers a terrific day out but all the actual punters now stay at home. Why do you surviving on-course layers believe that has happened?