Shameful bookie 1/6 ew

AT NEWBURY SOME 1/8 UNBIELIVABLE

They are plentiful and are getting worse. Should be shown up for what they are. Best to get the bets on before getting to the track and anything else you need then perhaps a phone account would be best.Had the same trouble myself at Aintree, with the lousy soandsos showing everything at reduced odds. You can see the live betting shows on the big screen and the reprobates are always offering much less than what is fair. I dont need to know how much their pitch has cost them either. If you cant offer fair prices without resorting to whining about expenses then get out of the game. Same applies to the minimum wage advocates !! If you cant afford to be in business, get out!!

as a racecourse bookie myself i agree that it is disgusting what the MINORITY are doing.NAME AND SHAME them and dont bet with them again.there are still some of us that bet to the correct terms.(filthy each way races apart)

its freezing out there,its up to them ,they ve got to earn a crust.

Let them earn a crust...but don't rip off the public doing it.

Look before you buy

Or to think about it another way- on-course bookies who protect themselves with lousy place terms can have more realistic win prices, producing better SPs for those people who prefer to take their each-way value with off-course books.

op you must have gotten better odds re the win part of ya bet with mr hazells rep the choice is yours as the terms would of been clearly displayed ....plenty people bet with this popular and longstanding bookmaker and are treat with civility and courtesy ....

cant believe you were getting the best price available with the hazel mob,they are usualy more interested in the price of coffee and burgers than attracting customers

their are lies .damn lies.and statistics see above !!

E.W. terms will never be fair to ordinary racegoers like me that likes to have a tenner e.w cos if someone puts up 5/1 1/4 in a 16 runner handicap some eagle eyed proffesional will run in in front of me and ask for a monkey e.w. and start laying the place part back on Betfair or the purple. So in a fact it's greedy punters who make it difficult for the ordinary punter to get on the proper place terms...And that your honour is the case for ...

and just to add salt to the wounds no doubt the win part will have shot back on here for a profit,lol.

whenever they have that Q and A in the racing post with the bookmakers on course , the bookmakers always moan about how the exchanges have ruined the on course market .
the on course bookmakers should also take note , that when they are offering such ridiculous e/w terms that the betting public will seek better alternatives to betting with them . such as betting online with bigger bookmakers or even betting on the exchanges .

Professional punters don't punt anymore...they 'Arb'

spot on ribero, probably gave the op 12's the win part and lobbed his hard earned on it here at 16.5.

Anaglogs - if I'm betting on a snidey EW race on course I do try to offer correct terms and swallow the loss on the places for the sake of customer relations, especially at tracks that I attend a lot, like Towcester.  In order to protect myself againt the monkey EW merchants I restrict stakes to £25 EW - you should hear the moaning and binding I get from the thieves who want to arb the place on here - do they think I'm stupid?  At least that way my regular punters can get on at correct terms and decent win odds.

I do find it frustrating though when you do the decent thing and then the next race where everyone is the same place terms you see punters who bet with you in the previous race betting with the b*stards who were 1/7th odds in the previous race at the same odds as you.  Would be nice to see a little loyalty!!!

The betting shops were packed at Cheltenham,as they lay proper e.w. terms.Yes,it is at SP,but so what.

and as he is away at the moment and his rep was standing in so is unable to defend his BUSINESS  decision

Wasnot,when I pointed it out to you a couple of years ago,that bad place terms were ruining the ring for good bookmakers like yourself,you went on the attack calling me a bookie basher for stating what was plainly clear to see.
Now it is getting worse and punters are leaving in droves.

Have to say i find B. D. H a very good joint to bet with.Could it be you had a beer or 2/3.Terms are always plain and easy to see.You imo have no gripe.

and as he is away at the moment and his rep was standing in so is unable to defend his BUSINESS  decision

The rep bets on his behalf so as far as this is concerned they are one and the same.

No i'd not had a beer or 2/3 as you put it.I put the bet on just before the start of the 3.10 novice hurdle....I go racing 20/30 times a year and this is the first time i've been caught by this;i just didn't expect a rails bookie to be shafting the public in this way and therefore didn't look at the place terms. I'm a member of Sandown and have never seen the rails bookmakers resort to such shortchanging .

what horse was it posy and what price?

POSSY,U NEED TO SHOP AROUND,MY ADVICE TO ANY PUNTER SEEKING VALUE,IS TO BET WITH THE BACK LINE BOOKS IN ANY TATS RING,I BET AT UTTOX YESTERDAY STANDARD EWAY TERMS EVERY RACE(ALWAYS DO INCLUDING EW FILTH)OFFER BIGGER THAN THE MACHINE EVERY FAV AND WILL TAKE A BET,COME RACING,NO COMMISSION,NO PREMIUM CHARGE

STANDARD RULE REGARDING ALL BETTING SHOPS,AND MOST ONCOURSE BOOKS"BIGGER THE FIRM,THE WORSE THE VALUE AND SERVICE"

I imagine this was big bucks race, i bet on front line ew 1/4, place book at 97%, i didnt mind (i'm only in trouble if fav doesn't place) took 4200 on race, (I DONT lay to machine) prob shows alot will take a slightly less win price for proper ew terms.

PLUS BIGGER THE FIRM THE LESS U WILL GET ON WITH EM!

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op you must have gotten better odds re the win part of ya bet with mr hazells rep the choice is yours as the terms would of been clearly displayed ....plenty people bet with this popular and longstanding bookmaker and are treat with civility and courtesy ....
Go to Brian he'll give you 1/6th the odds a place , but he'll do it with courtesy.

brian bets to the correct e/w terms around 85 per cent of the time ..........snide e/w races he makes a business decision ... i for one do not see anything wrong with that .... brian also is one of very few who gives punters the choice of betting e/w in four runner races from time to time

You must be a bookie dave  to say you don't see anything wrong with it. To the ordinary punter its
a disgrace and the guy deserves to be named and shamed.

Brian was betting at Sedgefield on free race day 14/4/11

The 6.25 was a dead 8 dirty ew race 11/4 7/2 7/2 4/1 8/1 16/1 200/1 250/1 a win book of 109% and place book of 89.6% at normal place terms

Brian bet to 1/6 1,2,3 but to me and the wife that was fine as we had £10 ew Frosty Spring @ 300/1 and after it finished 3rd we collected our £510 (paid with a smile)

Point is all the books paying 1/5 were no better than 200/1 so we got a better deal off Bryan D.

IF YOU SHOP AROUND 1/6, 1/7 and 1/8 can still be a better deal, as in all honesty most bets placed on rags in these events are IN HOPE OF!

"the 6.25 was a dead 8 dirty e/w race" - those are the words bookies use for that type of race not punters.
You've kept % book records of a family day out at Sedgefield 8 months ago.
" 1/6,1/7,1/8 can still be a better deal" - Only a bookie could ever say that.

Or a punter who knows what he is looking for

...btw i checked the RP website just to check the %ges to provide an accurate story

What you say has no ring of truth about it from a punters angle.

A typical show you may see is:

a 1/5th 123 layer going 6/1 one whilst a 1/8th layer is going 9/1 the same selection

who is offering you the better deal?

You "THE PUNTER" decides (if you're clever enough )

At Cheltenham, no place terms displayed. Was made to feel like a criminal for asking! Good customer service!

I avoid the problem. In my experience,if you are showing a long-term profit on your win bets,you don't need place bets.If you are losing on your win bets,you are also down on your place bets.
There's another aspect to this. It's 'easier' to justify to yourself playing a runner about which you're not really that sure if you back it to place as well. In my view,other than in exceptional circumstances,win only betting makes more sense. The bonus is that the on-course bookies who go win only and often those about who you complain that go 1/6th a place etc.offer better win prices than the rest.

Knowing B.D.H. as good as I do,I would imagine the rep was working exactly as Brian would.If he fancies one he ducks it & is prepared to knock out the ones he doesn't fancy.Standing next to him is at times a nightmare,you just cannot work.He does work to an opinion & I think you can almost guarantee he would have been top price about the horse if it was one of those he didn't fancy.Out of curiousity how would you have done if the horse had won compared with the S.P.?

BDH worst bookie on the northern circuit recently at catterick he was betting odds on 2 runners in a race. would pack in betting if he was the only one standing

There are a lot of complaints on here about oncourse boys (and girls) not offering the correct place terms. I for one can fully understand them because if on a 16 runner handicap you offer 1/4 the odds and the books either side of you offer a 1/5 and slightly bigger odds, you will hardly take a bet. There will be orderly queues either side of you snapping up the slightly bigger win odds at the poorer place terms, then someone will walk up to you, congratulate you on offering the correct place terms, slag off the books either side of you and then have a £10 each way on something. Come the start of the race, you will have took around £66 on the race (the shewd punters £20) and a few other dribs and drabs) and those either side of you will have took £300-£500.
A bookmaker is trying to keep a % of his stake. Last years average was 8% profit, so on that margin, he will make just over £5. Taking £66 on a race with a £5 profit when it has cost you £300 to stand is the route to the poor house.

Must confess did not see GOLD FLAG displayed any where although i was'nt looking
to be honest i had two each way bets with Colin Webster both paid @correct odds one a 1/4 the other 1/5

These lads bashing bookies for not playing the game on awful ew races ought to try it for themselves.

You are 1 billion playing on them schnide ew heats at the tracks, you do your money at a 1/6th let alone a 5th.

good morning roo,when do you expect turf racing to resume in england ?

I know of this BDH character.He is a decent fellow.

Black forest lodge tomorrow, jimnast.  :-)

Taunton thursday i would thinks a good thing, anything before a bonus ?

newbury next saturday roo ?

i dunno what the long range fc is but i would imagine it should have calmed down by then