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seaside
02 Jan 12 13:57
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The old Victor Chandler for me
Never refused me a bet, always gave me the price even when he rub the price was off his board.
I can still hear him to this day calling out to his outside man CHARLIEEE.
My last memory of him was sitting on the bench at Newbury just behind the paddock.
Really nice person, dont think he was that old when he passed away.
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Report guinness2dear January 2, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
In the UK, Pat Whelan.. A gent.
Report Mr Eboue January 2, 2012 2:00 PM GMT
Gregory Hughes ( Iris chap who I always see at Cheltenham ).

Lovely guy and always pleasant.
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:02 PM GMT
Ricky YatesGrin
Report the.mad.dog.man January 2, 2012 2:03 PM GMT
stephen little
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:04 PM GMT
Eric Forman napGrinGrin
Report the.mad.dog.man January 2, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
or steven little
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
Don ButlerGrinGrinGrin
Report DONEITHERE January 2, 2012 2:05 PM GMT
Eric foreman is just misunderstood , nap.
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:07 PM GMT
Misunderstood? who by? God?GrinGrinGrinGrin
Report DONEITHERE January 2, 2012 2:09 PM GMT
I always found Freddie williams interesting to bet with , one minute he was giving me a bottle of water and saying " no problem son" then next race it was " ###k off , your`e on the machine " .
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:09 PM GMT
He will be wanting to fight everyone at Ayr today, never won a fight yetGrinGrin
Report DONEITHERE January 2, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
Eric foreman is a shy caring warm individual who communicates well with people and who works tirelessly for world peace and harmony .
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:11 PM GMT
Freddie was a whanker only wanted to lay JP when he had partners.
Report seaside January 2, 2012 2:13 PM GMT
Jolly Joe I found it hard to get on with unless I wanted one of his trebles that he used to do.
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:14 PM GMT
I would not want to travel back with him even when he has won

if he has lost much prefer to walk.
Report barkinggreville January 2, 2012 2:16 PM GMT
anybody who'd let me get £1 ew
Report the.mad.dog.man January 2, 2012 2:19 PM GMT
use your head dont bet with fred bet with sid and win a few quid
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:25 PM GMT
You Win When You Lose With Margolis And Ridley.GrinGrinGrinGrin
Report the.mad.dog.man January 2, 2012 2:46 PM GMT
they used to show that advert in local picture house
Report the.mad.dog.man January 2, 2012 2:47 PM GMT
many years ago
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:49 PM GMT
mad dog those were the days when Dickie W and myself were buzzing.
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 2:50 PM GMT
Never a quarrel when you bet with Joe Coral.
Report Wood Lane January 2, 2012 4:31 PM GMT
Mick The Miller....Best Greyhound
Golden Miller.....Best Steeplechaser
Harry Miller......Best Bookmaker
That was the slogan he used for years.
Report Wood Lane January 2, 2012 4:34 PM GMT
Ave it on with Avalon.Eddie Baxter who traded in the name of Avalon.
In and out of Devon,Bet with Jack Bevan.
Report Wood Lane January 2, 2012 4:38 PM GMT
What Charlie was old Victor calling?Charlie Maskey or Charlie Mendoza.Both worked for him for years.
Report the.mad.dog.man January 2, 2012 4:39 PM GMT
wood lane what about glen miller
Report Wood Lane January 2, 2012 4:41 PM GMT
Glad I wasnt on the plane.
Report wee eck January 2, 2012 4:42 PM GMT
Wood Lane, old Victor was a handsome man, my bets used to go into

the book as Boy.
Report Wood Lane January 2, 2012 4:44 PM GMT
I think he was 52 when he died.Shocking.
Report Wood Lane January 2, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
I had a photo of old Victor,Charlie Mendoza and Benno Miller taken at Brighton.I gave it to young Victor at Cheltenham.
Report GAMBLINGJOCKEY January 2, 2012 5:01 PM GMT
TAFFY
Report patsyone January 2, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
Taffy ok when he had one in the book
Report adge January 2, 2012 6:08 PM GMT
now someone has mentioned taffy..anyone remember the big lad who worked for him [ can't remember his name ] now works for victor chandler now in gibralter. says it's by miles the best job he's ever had
Report whitmarsh January 2, 2012 6:12 PM GMT
Mick The Head.Used to clerk for The Viking firm at Harringay.
Report whitmarsh January 2, 2012 6:21 PM GMT
Abe Bernard with the clock on the top board.Mo Puttnam with the moody phone behind the joint.
Report seaside January 2, 2012 7:29 PM GMT
Anyone remember a bookie called Hector Roberts ?

It was the time when a name sake had shot a policeman and he went on the run.

He would shout out Everyone is looking for Hector.
Report Banks. January 2, 2012 7:35 PM GMT
Harry Roberts shot coppers not Hector.
Report Slippy Blue January 2, 2012 7:36 PM GMT
Stephen Little, I bet with him more often than not and used to see him at the big coursing tournaments as well as the racetracks wearing that rather distinctive overcoat of his.
Report seaside January 2, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
Wood Lane

I am taking about the 60s so I think it would have been Charlie Maskey as he was a big man from what I remember.

Hard to explain but it was like watching a play

Victor would want something done and he would say CHARLIEE and up would pop CHARLIEE.

Never any fuss it was a joy in those days to go racing.

Think my Junior membership badge for the day at Newmarket was 25/-
Report Barnie January 2, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
JOCKEY WILSON   always offers good win odds but also MASSIVE place TERMS, he often offers 1/8th the odds and once i even managed to get 1/9th the odds off him
Report screaming from beneaththewaves January 2, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
In and out of Devon,Bet with Jack Bevan

Later on the firm became "Harry Metcalfe, you'll have your bet halved" imo.

Harry was always so polite and friendly, though. I used to ask for a thousand to eighty, even when I knew a five to forty would be enough for him, just to hear the civilized knockback.
Report dr . atkins January 2, 2012 10:31 PM GMT
TWO GENTLEMEN DUDLEY ROBERTS,AND RONNIE BOLTON
Report Happy Valley January 2, 2012 10:42 PM GMT
john turner was and is a total gentleman down the west country, in particular he had the number one pitch at courses like salisbury, i very much hope he is still alive, and adrian, of sam harris fame, is a very decent guy around the southern tracks where he leads the ring or plays a leading role in the ring
Report js January 3, 2012 3:54 AM GMT
1 Tony Cooley. Fairmile
2 Robin Grossmith
3 Dougie Goldstein
Report Mr. Memory January 3, 2012 6:29 AM GMT
"Wood Lane".........One day at Sandown,Benno showed me a photograph of three young men walking along the seafront at Brighton.
It was probably the same one......it was one of his proudest possessions.
Report the artful dodger January 3, 2012 7:37 AM GMT
BARNIE;i hope your joking about the massive place terms with our friend jockey wilson,anyone who has an each way bet with that man needs to go back to school and redo their maths exam,its called exploitation of the masses.he is slowly killing the golden goose.
Report wasnot January 3, 2012 8:16 AM GMT
AD - I think its safe to assume he was joking.  Good job we have the Gambling Commission now to protect the public from abusers LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Funny how their stated objectives include keeping gambling fair and open, yet the antics of the EW terms abusers (which they have allowed) is the exact opposite.  I think that if any bookmaker is doing "non-standard" terms they should be forced to display a large sign (provided by the GC)to that effect explainng how their terms are worse than their colleagues.
Report hardestgame January 3, 2012 8:22 AM GMT
old victor chander was a gent
pity his son is not the same
Report Kerchingston_Upon_Sea January 3, 2012 9:21 AM GMT
The William Hill bookie who does southern tracks i saw him at Newbury recently (he's as lucky as seeing two magpies with a black cat running across the road for safe measure)
Report puttform January 3, 2012 11:45 AM GMT
whitmarsh

yes my father had a mobile phone in 1948!!

robert puttnam
Report democrat January 3, 2012 1:42 PM GMT
Was not one of the reasons for making pitches saleable to bring fresh blood into the Ring, ones prepared to lay decent bets that the old guard would have refused ? How the worm has turned with operators like jocky and cjs turning people over big time.
Report clayfield1 January 3, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
Jack Warner from Doncaster was a top bookie, think one of his sons still works for bookies in the north.
Report whitmarsh January 3, 2012 4:16 PM GMT
Jack Warner,we knew him as Bert The Bandit,not a bad bloke.What about old Gillibrand,terrific money getter,real good grafter.
Report crepello January 3, 2012 4:21 PM GMT
In the north Johnny Ridley - first class bookmaker and a gentleman to boot ......
Report whitmarsh January 3, 2012 4:24 PM GMT
Johnny Ridley Shotton Colliery make you right.
Report superdub January 3, 2012 5:41 PM GMT
colin webster lovely man and a pleasure to do business with
Report sweetchildofmine January 3, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
''yooooo can back 'em each waaay''
Report Wood Lane January 3, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
Colin just my luck Webster
Report Slippy Blue January 3, 2012 6:07 PM GMT
Tom and John Jenkins, The John Power Organisation. Absolute legends in their day.
Report mr crisp January 3, 2012 6:40 PM GMT
john joyce
Report champagne charlie January 3, 2012 6:48 PM GMT
the  young guy who stood up as bill sanders   total gent and fair layer too
Report Racecourse Regular January 3, 2012 7:10 PM GMT
Bill Sanders one of the old school, not like some of the clowns you see performing these days backing an even money favourite back for £20, 13-1, 3 losers in the book for £20 each....
Report Wood Lane January 3, 2012 8:43 PM GMT
Porky was the brains.
Report Happy Valley January 3, 2012 8:48 PM GMT
seaside for sure Victor's offsider was Charlie Maskey, a good friend of mine who helped me get my first job in racing some 26 years ago, and whom I had the pleasure of entertaining out here in HK a couple of years ago. Complete gent.

I also forget to mention Mick Burton, the Hills man in the north who sadly died not so long ago, one of the nicest men you'd meet in any walk of life.
Report Magnusthepassenger January 3, 2012 10:45 PM GMT
The Irish lass at Cheltenham who gives you a sweetie every time you have a bet Happy
Report seaside January 4, 2012 12:22 PM GMT
In fairness I must also add the old Fred Bins, if I remember right his joint was next door to V/C on nearly all the tracks in the south in the 60s and to tell you the truth I never had to go around looking for a price as between them you would ALWAYS get your bet on.
I can tell you they were always fair and a real pleasure to go racing in those days.
Report Wood Lane January 4, 2012 5:56 PM GMT
Happy Valley,The Charlie Maskey you are talking about is "young" Charlie Maskey.The one who worked for Victor senior was his father.
Report CASHLESS-LOOKING GOOD January 4, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
WHEN YOU DREW OFF CASH ,YOULL ENJOY YA SLASH
Report CASHLESS-LOOKING GOOD January 4, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
WHEN YOU DREW OFF CASH ,YOULL ENJOY YA SLASH
Report CASHLESS-LOOKING GOOD January 4, 2012 7:59 PM GMT
WHEN YOU DREW OFF CASH ,YOULL ENJOY YA SLASH
Report Mr. Memory January 4, 2012 8:06 PM GMT
"Dougie Never Owes"
Report whitmarsh January 4, 2012 10:10 PM GMT
Youve pulled one out of the hat there Mr.Memory,that was some years ago.
Report rrscaughtboy January 4, 2012 10:14 PM GMT
Freddie Williams and big Garry,laid and paid.CoolCool
Report Try My Best January 4, 2012 10:26 PM GMT
Pat whelan was a great guy to bet with.used to just stand there watching him reel off the bets as they came in.wish the guys who represent the firm would lighten up a bit.they look so uptight and miserable.very rarely bet with them now.cheer up guys u cud b digging holes in the road.
Report ringlets January 4, 2012 11:34 PM GMT
Try My Best. Personally I have found the Pat Whelan guys to be quite cheerful.They also very rarely refuse a bet,and unlike most offer the "proper" each way terms even on 18 runner handicaps.
Report mbsbirmingham January 4, 2012 11:39 PM GMT
Always found Leslie Steele a gent
Report Mr. Memory January 5, 2012 7:02 AM GMT
"whitmarsh"....."There are many Kings,but only one Manny King"
Report grumpyjim January 5, 2012 8:36 AM GMT
KNOWN AS      ..W.P.  Harrower  in edinburgh ,   never refused a bet even when  they  were running on the phone  ,,45  years ago  ......at that time  stopped  paying  commissionon , ODDS ON  ..BUT STILL LAID  YOU  .  ON    COURSE JOHN  JOYCE  well organised  just kept  scooping it  up  ??
Report roo January 5, 2012 8:41 AM GMT
The bets stephen little used to lay at the smaller meetings were frightening.
Report whitmarsh January 5, 2012 3:01 PM GMT
Johnny White....Look for the White umbrella.They had a dog at White City,White Umbella that won races.Chummy Gaventa named a 2yo Whites Umbrella.
John Henwood....You Know The Rules.His horse of the same name won a very big hcp at Sandown one day.
Wm. Hill ....The Sign That Means What It Says...No Limit.
Report Dunstall Park Snooper January 5, 2012 3:54 PM GMT
Arthur Phillips (hereford)
Report GEOFFDECHEF January 5, 2012 7:32 PM GMT
I like the manny cook lads and pat whelen was a gentleman..
Report ronnie rails January 5, 2012 8:09 PM GMT
grumpy jim

John Joyce, now that is a name from the past as i have said before on here in 1972 i opened an account with him; i was earning £10 a week at the time; i got his bills every Saturday as they were brought up to date end of business on a Thursday.

The first bill came and i was at work,when i phoned home at lunch time  my mother said there was a letter there for you so i told her to open it; i was expecting a bill of about a fiver; my mother went ballistic as the account stated i had had three losing bets that week of £200 per bet so owing £600 in total, when i got home i rang the firm; at 203 York Road Hartlepool; explaining that these bets were not mine after a lengthy phone call they finally admitted it wasnt my bets but a wholesale butcher who had the same name, i used to see the guy at York and chuckle to myself remebering the episode.
Report allpoints January 5, 2012 8:17 PM GMT
Matt Lowery
Always a pleasure to do business with such a friendly & pleasant bloke.
If anyone watches Carter the dulcet bookmakers tones you can hear when Carter is at the races were of Mr Lowery (Jimmy Grey)or tashy to his friends.
One of lifes true gentlemen.
Report whitmarsh January 6, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
Dunstall Park Snooper,
   Was that the Arthur Phillips who made a book at Birmingham races?He had an iron foundry in Dudley,was a good layer.
Report seaside January 7, 2012 12:06 PM GMT
What happened to the Vikings ?
They never refushed a bet from me all the time I was punting at Harringay.
Last time I heard about them was when they were in Cyprus.
Are they both dead ?
Report seaside January 7, 2012 12:11 PM GMT
Think I should also mention Gillert, cant remember his first name, was it Bob ? He was a real gent.
Whitmarsh I am sure you remember him
He bet on course and at at the Gay
I am sure he is dead now
Really nice man.
Report johnnywilkinson January 7, 2012 12:37 PM GMT
when there was bundles about and they were betting to 2,5 % a runner they were all nice men
Report SkintofGreatYarmouth January 7, 2012 1:35 PM GMT
seaside,

Think I should also mention Gillert, cant remember his first name, was it Bob ? He was a real gent.
Whitmarsh I am sure you remember him
He bet on course and at at the Gay
I am sure he is dead now
Really nice man.


Paul Gilliat
Report seaside January 8, 2012 4:31 AM GMT
Thanks skin

Yes of course Paul Gilliat I am sure I was told he passed away
Report sparrow January 18, 2017 11:09 PM GMT
Great stuff Grin
Report ribero1 January 19, 2017 8:45 AM GMT
Some great old posters on this thread,Whitmarsh,Wood Lane and Mr Memory.
Report ronnie rails January 19, 2017 9:00 AM GMT
any who would not charge you the bees
Report democrat January 19, 2017 12:18 PM GMT
Funny you should say that Ronnie. Many - and I mean many - years ago a good punter I used to know well frequented a local independent shop and engage the owner wanting to take a price a certain horse. When the deal was done the punter invariably produced a loud enforced cough which we all knew to mean 'no bees' !! Happy days.
Report luckyone January 19, 2017 12:27 PM GMT
Maurice Linsday ex wigan rl chairmen , use to bet at Bolton dogs , great memories .
Report theres only one best tonic January 19, 2017 12:32 PM GMT
If we're talking books at the dogs John Poulter down at Hove was a legend
Report FELTFAIR January 19, 2017 6:27 PM GMT
Pre Betfair Paul Gilliat was fascinating to watch,Bobby Mack was very entertaining and never got knocked back or bluffed by Taffy or Jim Davies who were always polite and pleasant.
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