Today is the first day fo my professional career, I have a small bank £21,756.68 and need to make around £2500 - £3000 pcm to justify this move. I recieve some good info from some reliable sources about 4-6 times a month which I do pay for £400 p/m. until now I have just used this for winning about £500 per month and spent the money but now I will have to rely on these tips.
I would like to share information with anyone else in a similar position, tips, staking plans, absorbing losses, when to get the best price etc.
I have looked at a couple of pro's on here and they all seem to be lossing. Cash_machine seems to be terrible and getting bad info, do some people on here try to put others away?
Going out for a prayer meeting at twelve so if I am not around start without me. I have had a nice bet on Tonga this morning and will be making a donation to the Institute of Black Charities. Thank you for all the e-mails most are very refreshing and shows what a decent audience the forum does capture, I have tried to respond to all of these except people trying to sell tips. I am on here for 4 more days and cannot be spending anymore purchasing tips but if you would like to share these with the forum we could all benefit and give a little donation to charity with the winnings, thus everyone wins. Thank you for all the kind words last night I feel that there are far more good people on this page than bad and those that are bad are just wayward trying to make themself heard. I am looking at backing leicestershire in the cricket, any ideas.
Going out for a prayer meeting at twelve so if I am not around start without me. I have had a nice bet on Tonga this morning and will be making a donation to the Institute of Black Charities. Thank you for all the e-mails most are very refreshing and
machine could you please introduce Alain to your prayer meeting preferably, handcuffed, if you get
my meaning that self abusing egotist good do with a lesson or two in humility.[;)]
machine could you please introduce Alain to your prayer meeting preferably, handcuffed, if you getmy meaning that self abusing egotist good do with a lesson or two in humility.
I have given up being a pro as I am returning to work, I have won while on this venture and as I say charity will benefit. I am using my last 4 days to chat to the real good people of the forum and if we get any information then we will put it out for the benefit(hopefully) of all on here.
As for alain/cash I think he is just trying too hard to be everything he is not, you cannot be everything to everyone. I imagine he would be a good one if he was himself.
anyway wee eck are you having a bet today and what on? have a good day friend.
can I just quickly mention virgin, you seem to consistantly find the good in everyone, you are a credit my friend.
wee eckI have given up being a pro as I am returning to work, I have won while on this venture and as I say charity will benefit. I am using my last 4 days to chat to the real good people of the forum and if we get any information then we will put it
Machine it is just as well it is a betting forum otherwise there is a danger that you might have a lot of people crying but as you know betting people never cry except perhaps after a big winner but never after a loser no matter how unlucky and no matter how great the consequences - curse/swear/kick the cat yes but never cry. Anyway I have a sneaky feeling that this story will not end just like that and I expect a few twists and turns yet. Perhaps Machine you might get a job with the BBC in the drama/short story writing section (fiction of course). Then of course you would be working alongside Claire as you seem to have the hots for her. But then again I believe you are looking forward to "reaquainting" with that one in Admin. Anyway good luck.
Machine it is just as well it is a betting forum otherwise there is a danger that you might have a lot of people crying but as you know betting people never cry except perhaps after a big winner but never after a loser no matter how unlucky and no ma
I love posts like these, You always have 2 sets of folk, my favorite and the ones that are actually good people who are here to use it as a forum and help other people and learn together and make everybody more profitable, which they always get bullied for?! which i always fail to understand, stop bullying them and help them or discuss in a sensible manner instead of just saying crap like post your bets, who cares what they bet if they post the bets before the event then it doesn't matter what the stakes are!
Then we have the worst set of people who hide behind a screen and give abuse!
I say good luck to you mate, I wish you all the best and I hope you become a very rich man!
I love posts like these, You always have 2 sets of folk, my favorite and the ones that are actually good people who are here to use it as a forum and help other people and learn together and make everybody more profitable, which they always get bulli
well said rc you are one of the folk i really respect on here
ok you've been exposed for fantasy bets and trying to peddle some pay as you dont earn tipping nonsense, but then that's not important overall really.
thanks again rc, top man
well said rc you are one of the folk i really respect on hereok you've been exposed for fantasy bets and trying to peddle some pay as you dont earn tipping nonsense, but then that's not important overall really.thanks again rc, top man
RC919 i agree with what you are saying however you came on here spouting good intentions with your laying thread only to be found out at a later date.You started your thread saying you wanted to help people make money by advising them to lay your selections.Shortly after you were exposed as a liar and your real intention was to recruit people to a service which inturn you would receive a cash sum.I for one do not object to people making money by advising other's,but i do object to people who mask their real intentions.If you were up front in the first place and stated that you were giving people a sample which would become a payed service in the future, then you wouldn't have got the negativite feedback.So stop playing the philanthropist and Mr nice guy when clearly you are neither.
RC919 i agree with what you are saying however you came on here spouting good intentions with your laying thread only to be found out at a later date.You started your thread saying you wanted to help people make money by advising them to lay your sel
just got in to see the cricket looking good and the markets looking crazy, time for some study, anyone got any strong fancies today or is everyone keeping everything to theirself?
whatever you choose today good luck.
afternoon everyone or the usual 3just got in to see the cricket looking good and the markets looking crazy, time for some study, anyone got any strong fancies today or is everyone keeping everything to theirself?whatever you choose today good luck.
thanks mate that was not me it was dannyw who emailed me this so thank you dannyw
All todays winners will generate cash for www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ todays choosen charity.
thanks mate that was not me it was dannyw who emailed me this so thank you dannywAll todays winners will generate cash for www.helpforheroes.org.uk/ todays choosen charity.
It makes you wonder why this one needs to exist in the first place
They should be looked after for life (imo)
machine_gun_kellywhilst I agree that it's a worthy charity It makes you wonder why this one needs to exist in the first placeThey should be looked after for life (imo)
again its a lay, both the market and the race enteries say this horse should not win, he is the winner of the race last year but has loads of weight and the trainer knows when to back him
lay freman 4.0 red @ 11
win only
going for 3-3 on horsesagain its a lay, both the market and the race enteries say this horse should not win, he is the winner of the race last year but has loads of weight and the trainer knows when to back himlay freman 4.0 red @ 11win only
more cash for our charity, off to cook tea for mrs kelly she loves to eat when she gets home. hopefully there is enought in for her.
take care all
thank you one footedmore cash for our charity, off to cook tea for mrs kelly she loves to eat when she gets home. hopefully there is enought in for her.take care all
help them or discuss in a sensible manner instead of just saying crap like post your bets
I think you'll find I have been happy to offer advice on trading and betting many times although since 90% of the forum claim to be winning and making massive bets there is little point it seems in me giving advice.
If you wish to believe everything you hear on here then that's your choice. Oh hang on you got found out as being another billy bull**er as Kenny has said. I don't go out of my way to give abuse as you put it, I asked a simple request. I'm all for people helping each other but people need to get real.
help them or discuss in a sensible manner instead of just saying crap like post your betsI think you'll find I have been happy to offer advice on trading and betting many times although since 90% of the forum claim to be winning and making massive be
'RC919 i agree with what you are saying however you came on here spouting good intentions with your laying thread only to be found out at a later date.You started your thread saying you wanted to help people make money by advising them to lay your selections.Shortly after you were exposed as a liar and your real intention was to recruit people to a service which inturn you would receive a cash sum.I for one do not object to people making money by advising other's,but i do object to people who mask their real intentions.If you were up front in the first place and stated that you were giving people a sample which would become a payed service in the future, then you wouldn't have got the negativite feedback.So stop playing the philanthropist and Mr nice guy when clearly you are neither.'
ask anybody who i email everyday if i charge them? I have also a new system to go with the lays i have been using and the lays are at £20,000+ since june so i don't really need to money off other, an we are all looking to make extra cash so why not help others. I would help anybody who sent me a message or asked for my help, if you did the same instead of slating people then posting your own p n l for your own ego.
Kennysbackintown 'RC919 i agree with what you are saying however you came on here spouting good intentions with your laying thread only to be found out at a later date.You started your thread saying you wanted to help people make money by advising th
RC919 i'm not disputing what you are doing now,i stated that you were exposed as a liar as you were not upfront about your origional intentions.That was indeed proved on here for everyone to see.Also you assume that i don't help anyone improve their bank balance which is incorrect.I send lays to a fellow forumite every day for no charge.The said forumite has offered to pay me several times for the lays which i have refused each time.Please prove me wrong about the claim i made about you having alterior motives,as that is all i have said.
RC919 i'm not disputing what you are doing now,i stated that you were exposed as a liar as you were not upfront about your origional intentions.That was indeed proved on here for everyone to see.Also you assume that i don't help anyone improve their
RC919 if you were refering to me having an ego and showing p+l then again your way off the mark.I have never done such a thing,nor have i made outrageous claims about having backed this or that.Please feel free to search through every single post on this forum and then post it on here.
RC919 if you were refering to me having an ego and showing p+l then again your way off the mark.I have never done such a thing,nor have i made outrageous claims about having backed this or that.Please feel free to search through every single post on
While I have finished for the day, anyone that is intrested, I was emailed yesterday with
EAGLE NEBULA (7.20k)*
the original poster advised a strong e/w bet. *sounds good but this was for yesterday when it was pulled out.
I am vey busy cooking for my lovely lady, she is on her 5th course and not struggling, what a girl.
sorry to disturb such a happy bunchWhile I have finished for the day, anyone that is intrested, I was emailed yesterday withEAGLE NEBULA (7.20k)*the original poster advised a strong e/w bet. *sounds good but this was for yesterday when it was pulled
wee eck if you wish pop round with your wheelbarrow, she is regular as clockwork
7:30am 13:00pm 19:45pm
a week ok for you or are you after a van full which would be next month?
wee eck if you wish pop round with your wheelbarrow, she is regular as clockwork7:30am13:00pm19:45pma week ok for you or are you after a van full which would be next month?
Not that I've met every pro out there but of all the pros I know that have survived long term including myself NEVER talk betting like MGK.
This hopefully is 100% BS else it will end in tears - the only 2 options possible IMO.
Not that I've met every pro out there but of all the pros I know that have survived long term including myself NEVER talk betting like MGK.This hopefully is 100% BS else it will end in tears - the only 2 options possible IMO.
thank you for your concern racingguru, good advice but after tomorrow I am out of the betting buisness, today though I feel will be a good day, have several emails including ones from horse training staff and owners giving advice, I will put these up close to the off not to detract the persons involved from contributing again. I am playing large for charity today and the choosen charity is the British heart foundation. www.bhf.org.uk.
good luck to everyone off back to emails.
thank you for your concern racingguru, good advice but after tomorrow I am out of the betting buisness, today though I feel will be a good day, have several emails including ones from horse training staff and owners giving advice, I will put these up
machine gun you are like a breath of fresh air, carry on you have a tremendous sense of humour.
re. the matter of the shyte, would it be OK if I wait until you have a Van load?
machine gun you are like a breath of fresh air, carry on you have a tremendous sense of humour.re. the matter of the shyte, would it be OK if I wait until you have a Van load?
off out for a couple of hours but I have been told not to miss these
1. hanger management 2.20perth 4 fig bet win 2. devdas 2.45 new e/w 3. redera 2.55 per ....win big, good emails about this one.
lets hope for some nice returns to help our charities.
off out for a couple of hours but I have been told not to miss these1. hanger management 2.20perth 4 fig bet win2. devdas 2.45 new e/w3. redera 2.55 per ....win big, good emails about this one.lets hope for some nice returns to help our charities.
back now and delighted to see a winner on the board.
anyone in dublin that would like to have a night out and support charity at the same time please read below.
I'm playing the Lir charity gig at Vicar Street, Dublin this Saturday, September 24th. My onstage time is 9.15, still a few tickets left - so if you're in town, then come on down! david gray.
off to watch the races and start the feast for mrs kelly tonight. I have an 11 course meal planned as she does like big meals, take care all till later.
back now and delighted to see a winner on the board. anyone in dublin that would like to have a night out and support charity at the same time please read below.I'm playing the Lir charity gig at Vicar Street, Dublin this Saturday, September 24th. My
Oven Baked Three Onion Soup Spiced mussel soup Smoked Salmon with Red Onions and Capers Battered Fish and Giant Chips Sweet And Sour Prawns Tiramisu Fruit Salad Pavlova Cheese Board Coffee A Bit Of A Promise
She does like her sea food to put her in the mood and her dessert to play with
2 poor tips but we are waiting on an email in about 20 mins from a so called owner, touch wood.
best get cooking.
Oven Baked Three Onion Soup Spiced mussel soupSmoked Salmon with Red Onions and CapersBattered Fish and Giant Chips Sweet And Sour PrawnsTiramisuFruit Salad PavlovaCheese BoardCoffeeA Bit Of A Promise She does like her sea food to put her in the mood
wee eck, She does not normally eat that much, I am treating her as I am off. normally she would be happy with 3 courses, oh and a macdonalds or kentucky on the way home on the train. She just tends to pick at meals, she never finishes a kebab, the salad always see's her off. Anyway good news she has phoned to say she wont be back till after 9 as she is going for a drink after work. So I can bet like demon till 5ish.
wee eck, She does not normally eat that much, I am treating her as I am off. normally she would be happy with 3 courses, oh and a macdonalds or kentucky on the way home on the train. She just tends to pick at meals, she never finishes a kebab, the sa
she is off out with a few collegues, dont ask her the names.
I change my profile picture as a tribute to someone I know each day. Tomorrow mrs kelly may be there, but she best never find out. best not really she is dangerous when angry.
anyway a good email ref PLAN A 3.50 PUN having a nice bet
she is off out with a few collegues, dont ask her the names.I change my profile picture as a tribute to someone I know each day. Tomorrow mrs kelly may be there, but she best never find out. best not really she is dangerous when angry.anyway a good e
thank you to Icantiktak who told me plan a was a very good bet today and the fav muirhead would be poor. now thats real pro advice.
sorry wee eck, no I live in England, David is just a top man and I always support charity events.
thank you to Icantiktak who told me plan a was a very good bet today and the fav muirhead would be poor. now thats real pro advice.sorry wee eck, no I live in England, David is just a top man and I always support charity events.
another good winner which means a health donation to bhf
mr riser I did no fkucing as you put it, if she chooses to go for a drink with the husband then I can do nothing about it, your taunts are better served on a thread you can get a bite.
Next bet steel magnate 5.15 per is a market mover for me, not tipped so small win only
another good winner which means a health donation to bhf mr riser I did no fkucing as you put it, if she chooses to go for a drink with the husband then I can do nothing about it, your taunts are better served on a thread you can get a bite. Next be
I have a very strong email which states, 'peg leg will be backed early and dominate the market before we get stuck into the likely winner, mr johnson 1750 perth' thats good enough for me to take the 4s on offer
good luck whatever you bet my friends
off out to get mrs kelly's ingredienceI have a very strong email which states, 'peg leg will be backed early and dominate the market before we get stuck into the likely winner, mr johnson 1750 perth' thats good enough for me to take the 4s on offergo
Mrs Kelly seems to interfere a lot with your racing. Tell her to get her own bloody dinner and that youll have some also. Let her know who is boss. Anyway good luck with Sir Johnson
Mrs Kelly seems to interfere a lot with your racing. Tell her to get her own bloody dinner and that youll have some also. Let her know who is boss. Anyway good luck with Sir Johnson
arklearkle, mrs kelly is as they say high maintenance, she does like her food but she likes to reward after if she has not got indigestion. Mr Barry White has been booked for tonight.[;)] lets hope she does not eat too much too quick.
thanks riser, just got in and seen the good news.arklearkle, mrs kelly is as they say high maintenance, she does like her food but she likes to reward after if she has not got indigestion. Mr Barry White has been booked for tonight. lets hope she doe
thank you mecca and arklearkle today has been a very good day ,I am als more disciplined as I am now doing it for charity. have one/possibley two pieces of info to be released in about 60 mins.
thank you all who are sending emails, well except the begging and threatening ones.
best get cooking before Mrs Kelly phones to be picked up from the train station, wouldn't like not to be ready.
thank you mecca and arklearkle today has been a very good day ,I am als more disciplined as I am now doing it for charity. have one/possibley two pieces of info to be released in about 60 mins. thank you all who are sending emails, well except the be
NH racing is too unreliable, I'd rather have my money on the ground than in the air, so forget that one. Only bet on flat racing between the 2000 Guineas and the St Leger, so that's out as well... ... go and hibernate for the winter...
NH racing is too unreliable, I'd rather have my money on the ground than in the air, so forget that one.Only bet on flat racing between the 2000 Guineas and the St Leger, so that's out as well...... go and hibernate for the winter...
sorry everyone have just been informed, I cannot release the 8.0pm tip on the net
what I will do if you email asking for tip i will send it out 2 mins before race but no one should display it openly
sorry.
sorry everyone have just been informed, I cannot release the 8.0pm tip on the netwhat I will do if you email asking for tip i will send it out 2 mins before race but no one should display it openlysorry.
well done to all those that emailed, pity we couldn't give it out, imagine most knew it was going for it anyway,sorry not everyone got the email in time but I couldn't copy and paste as fast as I thought.
massive lay in the 8.30 midnight waltz is apparently getting a hcap mark according to some good sources.
off to pick mrs kelly up now, she is pissed and very very hungray, hope I have enough in.
back tomorrow to help for the very last time.
please keep emailing as it is helping everyone. goodnight all
well done to all those that emailed, pity we couldn't give it out, imagine most knew it was going for it anyway,sorry not everyone got the email in time but I couldn't copy and paste as fast as I thought.massive lay in the 8.30 midnight waltz is appa
Thanks for that i had laid it so managed to get out many thanks brian
From machine_gun_kelly on Sep 22, 08:00PM:
From w*ll** on Sep 22, 07:56PM: can you send me the tip please thanks dulais2518@************ mrs dee bee 8.w0
expected to win well
good luck all
just one of the happy punters who emailed, Sorry to use your name. Some very big news here tomorrow.
back to spoilling my lovely lady.
[:x]
Sep 22, 08:07PMThanks for that i had laid it so managed to get out many thanks brianFrom machine_gun_kelly on Sep 22, 08:00PM:From w*ll** on Sep 22, 07:56PM:can you send me the tip pleasethanksdulais2518@************mrs dee bee 8.w0expected to win we
You bastard,that ran like a drain, I went and tipped it on my thread, now I am a laughing stock. Tawaat
From Nineteen84
From rscaughtboy Sept22 2011,2014 Sorry,only passed on MGKs tip as sent to me and you asked for it.
Molerat will PM you a proper tip tomorrow to make up for it,did warn you.
[;)][;)][smiley:crazy]
Btw no such thing as 0807pm,either 0807 0r 2007 hth.[;)]
Sept 22,2011You bastard,that ran like a drain,I went and tipped it on my thread,now I am a laughing stock.TawaatFrom Nineteen84From rscaughtboy Sept22 2011,2014Sorry,only passed on MGKs tip as sent to meand you asked for it.Molerat will PM you a prop
Hi machine Gun, I went "Pro" twice, the first time i just specialised in 7 furlong races, i had enough winners, but could not control my own stupid need to chase losses. No-one wins every race, if you cannot accept that losing will happen more often than winning, then you need to think again. My "strike rate" was around 15%, but i could & should have been happy with this, because my winners were at good odds & more than matched my losers. The second attempt was based on trading, I quit my reasonably well paid job, I own a bit of building land & had a verbal agreement to sell to a builder for 300k,(right a the beginning of the credit crunch. I borrowed 30K from my bank to cover living costs & my "betting bank", On my very first trade, iwas £5.00 red, i foolishly let the "trade" go in running, (with the intention of getting out, within the first minute of the race,as soon as my trade went green, the horse fell, first fence. £900.00 down, & so it went on. I traded £16 million in year 1, £18 million in year 2, i should have made £60K. I lost £30K. The sale of my land fell though, i am now working for half of the money, that i earned 5 years ago.You are certain to fail if you have to rely on tips, unless your source is totally committed as you will need to be..To win, find an angle, test it a thousand times, if it pays, then stick with it. Learn handicapping, the handicapper is the only body in racing, whom never lies or cheats.Find a well handicapped horse, with all conditions in its favour & at a value price is the way to go, never ever chase losses. good luck,
Hi machine Gun, I went "Pro" twice, the first time i just specialised in 7 furlong races, i had enough winners, but could not control my own stupid need to chase losses. No-one wins every race, if you cannot accept that losing will happen more often
: machine_gun_kelly's blog F*** F*** F*** Mrs Kelly has just come home from a night with her girlfriends, she said as they all sat around chatting and laughing she felt she was being isolated, then when she did join in she was getting one and two word replies. She then went to the ladies room only to overhear two girls saying that 'she had a cheek showing her face'. well mrs kelly doesn't take prisoners and she immediatly went on the offensive. gave one a slap and told the other what she was going to do to her, she then ran out the ladies to get the remaining crowd into the little girls room. Yes you guessed it they all started screaming and someone screams out ' well if your husband could keep his d**k in his trousers he would still have a job'. She said she has never felt so small in her life. Came home about twenty mins early and she has hardly eaten so she must be sick. I have been accused of everything from the girl in admin to her sister, what a nightmare. worse still she wants to come into my work on monday and question all the females. I have obviously denied everything and told her its just gossip with no foundation but how do I sort this mess out????????? she has gone to bed now and you guessed it I am in the spare room with the dog. should I risk going into work tomorrow and tell all the girls to say good things. or should I just resign myself to my fate. Surely someone knows a solution??????????????
: machine_gun_kelly's blogF*** F*** F***Mrs Kelly has just come home from a night with her girlfriends, she said as they all sat around chatting and laughing she felt she was being isolated, then when she did join in she was getting one and two word
machine_gun_kelly's blog ANYONE THAT GIVES A SOLUTION THAT WORKS WILL GET £500
tell your mrs that you was just helping her out because she was turning PRO that day[;)]
machine_gun_kelly's blogANYONE THAT GIVES A SOLUTION THAT WORKS WILL GET £500tell your mrs that you was just helping her out because she was turning PRO that day
I reckon she is going to throw you out. Hope you hav'nt given that money to charity yet - it looks like you could be a charity case yourself yet. Perhaps you could get that wan in Admin to move in with you - her income might come in handy and you could make a handy packet selling the photos back to the punters.
I reckon she is going to throw you out. Hope you hav'nt given that money to charity yet - it looks like you could be a charity case yourself yet. Perhaps you could get that wan in Admin to move in with you - her income might come in handy and you cou
You may wonder why Machine Gun Kelly was so erratic, well you have been the participants in a University study of how 'formites' would respond to a sufferer of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy (MSBP). In Munchausen Syndrome, this is achieved by capitalising on, exploiting, exaggerating or feigning illness , injury or personal misfortune e.g. Blackmailed at work. The opportunities for being centre of attention can be increased if feigning victimhood through alleged victimisation, isolation, exclusion or persecution is added to the equation( hopefully you can now identify these within the script); the Munchausen sufferer can then depict another person (often a family member) as a victimiser or persecutor and himself as the victim, presenting himself as a false victim is also a Munchausen trait. We enhanced the experiment by adding graphic pictorial evidence, this would give us information on who you may possibly communicating with and monitored the responses. The Gangster,The weakling, The Coloured Gent, the Down and Out, the Gay and the Overweight Female with Weak Male.
There are a few very shrewd individuals who noted the traits very early, while some either befriended Kelly or chose something slightly stronger. Your responses are a credit to the persons within these forums and is one of the friendlier we have viewed, there are many potential councillors hidden within. Surprisingly only one person used a term that implied death to the subject in a serious context.
As this was a betting forum we had to enlist some professional advice within this circle, the information provided on Thursday 22nd September was All professional and would have netted a profit of over 12 1/2 points to a 1 point level stake we are informed. This also included a single e-mail advice tip from a professional agency that produced a winner , just reward for your help in conducting this study. I do hope some obliged themselves to the maximum service, however given Kelly's stability I very much doubt it.
The information you have provided has been very enlightening, no names have been used in any capacity within the compilation of your responses, you have been a wonderful and captive audience for which we are indebted. Take care all.
Signing off forever Team Machine_Gun_Kelly
To AllYou may wonder why Machine Gun Kelly was so erratic, well you have been the participants in a University study of how 'formites' would respond to a sufferer of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy (MSBP). In Munchausen Syndrome, this is achieved by cap
unless they have direct video evedience of you playing away - you just deny it,mrs kelly would hope you deny it,they cling to the minisucule per centage of hope,that perhaps you havent betrayed her,even if when others questions they grass you - throw it back as a denial and accuse them of making things up.
never ,ever under any circumstances admit infedelity,it isnt better to be honest- if you admit all - they will tourture themselves thinking of you with this other woman - total denial - never waiver and as time goes by the incident pales into insifficance,plus you ve not wasted a credit up .
unless they have direct video evedience of you playing away - you just deny it,mrs kelly would hope you deny it,they cling to the minisucule per centage of hope,that perhaps you havent betrayed her,even if when others questions they grass you - throw