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Stake & Chips
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BHA charges five in corruption investigation
By Racingpost.com staff 9:32AM 20 MAY 2011


THE Racing Post understands five racing professionals, including four licensed jockeys and one licensed trainer, were on Thursday night charged as part of the BHA's latest racing corruption investigation.

The Racing Post also understands two licensed owners have also been charged as part of the same investigation, while others could been named when the BHA makes an expected announcement on Friday.
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Report mrcombustible May 20, 2011 11:45 AM BST
You have to give the defence time to prepare a case and 5 months is really quite fast, would not surprise me if the date slips into next year
Report Outpost May 20, 2011 11:47 AM BST
so still time for them all to get their legal expenses then
Report Stockbroker May 20, 2011 11:48 AM BST
BHA says charges against 13 as "result of a lengthy, detailed and complex investigation, following suspicious betting activity"
Report andyl May 20, 2011 11:49 AM BST
are betfair eddie and tony pullhane not in the BHA's investigations.....?Laugh
Report ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo May 20, 2011 11:51 AM BST
So this isn't a criminal case?  Surely by their actions they are defrauding alot of people and the case should be treated in a court of law.
Report csp58 May 20, 2011 11:53 AM BST
Shrew D     20 May 11 11:47 
mrcombustible
20 May 11 11:28 Joined: 18 Feb 02 | Topic/replies: 294 | Blogger: mrcombustible's blog
Race 7  ridden by Hitchcott, only jockey not charged
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That's because it wasn't a bent ride.

That race is down to P Doe giving info for reward.

Cheers
Report Huggy May 20, 2011 11:53 AM BST
Just said on Sky that bets placed with normal bookmakers have been looked in to,not just Betfair
Report capewine May 20, 2011 11:53 AM BST
Sines and Crickmore's mobile homes activities chill the blood. Plenty of material via Google.
Report snooker1 May 20, 2011 11:54 AM BST
how j-p and eddie havent got the call up beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report dg1981 May 20, 2011 11:54 AM BST
i dont know if this has already been asked. But how can 'traditional' bookmakers be involved? you can only back horses to win with them?
Report EastLower Gooner May 20, 2011 11:55 AM BST
Each of the jockeys have additionally charged with a breach of rule 243 in that it is alleged they communicated directly or indirectly to one or more betting exchange account holders, for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind.


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wonder which forumite snitched :o
Report snooker1 May 20, 2011 11:55 AM BST
none of them will give a ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)]
Report Huggy May 20, 2011 11:56 AM BST
I have taken bets from one of the charged,nasty piece of work
Report Aviboyd May 20, 2011 11:57 AM BST
dg1981

May 11 11:54

i dont know if this has already been asked. But how can 'traditional' bookmakers be involved? you can only back horses to win with them?


No fishing on this thread.  Cheers.
Report andyl May 20, 2011 11:57 AM BST
jp seems ok snooker 1...although if the trainer connection right i can see what u mean ....any jocks who get drunk after racing...loose lips....n all that
Report snooker1 May 20, 2011 11:58 AM BST
the b-h-a will be made to look like clowns yet again its 1-01!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)][;)][;)]
Report EastLower Gooner May 20, 2011 11:58 AM BST
Did she hold you down and beat you senseless on till you complied Huggy?

poor you.
Report snooker1 May 20, 2011 11:59 AM BST
jp ok lol please he couldnt lie stright in bed 100 per cent NAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report RepublikOfMancunia May 20, 2011 11:59 AM BST
Just look at crickmore's trainer's of choice,says it all really
Report dg1981 May 20, 2011 12:00 PM BST
i'm not fishing aviboyd. i'm just interested in how they are involved? i'm obviously not as big a racing enthusiast/addict as you. didn't realise the question was a bit of a taboo subject!Silly
Report Aviboyd May 20, 2011 12:00 PM BST
ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo
20 May 11 11:51

So this isn't a criminal case?  Surely by their actions they are defrauding alot of people and the case should be treated in a court of law.


Do you not remember the Fallon Case debacle?  Best way the BHA can hope to get these people out of the sport is to hold the investigation 'in house'.  Not to say it is right that they won't obtain a criminal record mind - in any other walk of life, etc etc...
Report andyl May 20, 2011 12:02 PM BST
any jockeys on the list who frequent dun stall bar after racing involved yet???? lol
Report Aviboyd May 20, 2011 12:02 PM BST
Come on dg1981.  If you know that a horse at the head of the market is not going to win a race there are numerous ways of profiting from the range of bets offered by traditional bookmakers.
Report Benatom May 20, 2011 12:04 PM BST
Jimmy Quinn


Anyone surprised ?
Report snooker1 May 20, 2011 12:04 PM BST
1-01 its all to do with OBE lol[;)][;)][;)]
Report MARILYNMANSON May 20, 2011 12:04 PM BST
One of the races which they showed as part of the investigation, would like to see it again.
Report wee eck May 20, 2011 12:05 PM BST
The BHA  hands are somewhat tied in respect of any punishment being delivered in the  the event of those charged being found guilty of the alleged offences, as the court convened is nothing more than a Star Chamber.
Report dg1981 May 20, 2011 12:05 PM BST
ahhh i see where your coming from. so for example. if they knew they'd keep pushing the price out to entice people in? thank youGrin
Report MARILYNMANSON May 20, 2011 12:06 PM BST
We need to see these races from all angles. The one advantage of the exchanges, more people are being investigated.
Report Outpost May 20, 2011 12:07 PM BST
that's why bookies hate exchanges as before the exchanges came along, bookies used to be the only people who could fix races.
Report snooker1 May 20, 2011 12:07 PM BST
who cares this will all blow over in a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Report Brother Mouzone May 20, 2011 12:08 PM BST
Dale Gibson certainly won't know anything, he's ridden horses part owned by Mr Crickmore.
Report foolsgold123 May 20, 2011 12:08 PM BST
corruption is a part of horse racing, always has been and always will be. there just the ones daft enough to get caught.
Report Aviboyd May 20, 2011 12:09 PM BST
Are you sure Marilyn?  I assume this investigation was initiated long before Betty became a PLC...
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 12:10 PM BST
wee eck
To some extent you are correct but so are other sports ruling bodies,not to mention professional associations such as the BMA
Report MARILYNMANSON May 20, 2011 12:12 PM BST
Aviboyd, like with most things it is our own opionion as we do not know all the facts......are most of us do not. But some people think there was minimal
corruption before the exchangesLaugh. The real problem with the exchanges is that it is easier to corrupt a race...ie laying.
Report csp58 May 20, 2011 12:12 PM BST
I recall this pair, Sines and Crickmor being embroiled with 'goings on' in the past. I seem to recall their trainer left the country.
Report ilikewavingatbuses May 20, 2011 12:13 PM BST
ts good to see theyre doing something although one cant help the absence of bg name jocks who clearly put in the odd 'suspect' ride that is simply indefensible at times.

cant help think the bha are just  picking on the small fish!

im still not satisfied, want a shark, not a bunch of kippers!!

p.s- how does tony do itLaugh[;)]
Report Huggy May 20, 2011 12:14 PM BST
Old Romney trained by M wigham was owned by Crickmore
Report wee eck May 20, 2011 12:17 PM BST
Salmon spray  point taken.
Report pixie May 20, 2011 12:19 PM BST
Sines and Crickmore sound lovely.

.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8222356.stm
Report roggrain May 20, 2011 12:20 PM BST
It seems to me that the BHA only investigates rides when 'unusual betting patterns'occur. In their statement they say they want to re-assure the public that the vast majority of races are straight.Do they not watch Maiden races and handicaps where the sole purpose of running is to get a low handicap mark ? Who are they kidding?
Report roggrain May 20, 2011 12:20 PM BST
It seems to me that the BHA only investigates rides when 'unusual betting patterns'occur. In their statement they say they want to re-assure the public that the vast majority of races are straight.Do they not watch Maiden races and handicaps where the sole purpose of running is to get a low handicap mark ? Who are they kidding?
Report Huggy May 20, 2011 12:25 PM BST
One of the charged also liked backing dodgy greyhounds at Sheffield
Report silvergreaser May 20, 2011 12:26 PM BST
Of course we're all supposed to believe the trainers of the horses involved were blissfully unaware of all the goings on?, and I presume the jockeys all still ride regulary for said trainers? and they saw nothing untoward with the rides given to their horses?.
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 12:26 PM BST
Perhaps it`s about time the BHA had a " fit and proper person " rule for ownership.
I daresay somebody will tell me they already do        Laugh
Report csp58 May 20, 2011 12:27 PM BST
salmon spray     Joined: 10 Jan 07
Replies: 9612 20 May 11 12:26 
Perhaps it`s about time the BHA had a " fit and proper person " rule for ownership.
I daresay somebody will tell me they already do       

They do
Report maxheadroom May 20, 2011 12:30 PM BST
terry norman(agent to ahern fallon and kelly) wants an apology from everyone who bandied eddie aherns name around. the words NECK and BRASS spring to mind. wac
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 12:31 PM BST
I thought they might have. Perhaps they should try enforcing it.
Report roggrain May 20, 2011 12:32 PM BST
Have you already forgotten the farce that was the trial of K.Fallon.Supposedly fixed races when the evidence produced showed that of the races he was supposed to lose his win % was higher than any jockey that year!!Let's wait and see what
Struthers has come up with this time before jumping to conclusions.It's possible that the BHA is doing more to 'bring racing into disrepute'than anyone else!
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 12:36 PM BST
They decided to go down the criminal route with Fallon. There was no way he could have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The threshold won`t be that high this time
Report csp58 May 20, 2011 12:39 PM BST
salmon spray     20 May 11 12:31 
I thought they might have. Perhaps they should try enforcing it.

They did salmon spray. They clamped down on Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov. It's been suggested that Mr. Kadyrov has been involved in some overly boisterous activities in the past, and the BHA felt that he wasn't the type of chap who should be associated with British racing.
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 12:44 PM BST
As I am a bit vulnerable I had better be careful but try googling the two owners charged
Report Sportsadvisor May 20, 2011 12:44 PM BST
shame on these individuals. Let a lesson be learned from those others practicing such activities. You will be found - rather easily. Betfair hasn't the liquidity to hide such lays. What fools you are
Report guinness2dear May 20, 2011 12:45 PM BST
Benatom     Joined: 28 May 04
Replies: 2860 20 May 11 12:04 
Jimmy Quinn


Anyone surprised ?



Only that its taken so long..
Report GEORGE.B May 20, 2011 12:53 PM BST
What a surprise & disappointment to have it confirmed that Milczarek & Fairley are two of the charged jockeys.

If they're found guilty, those who have led them down the garden path should hang their heads in shame for wrecking 2 promising (imo) careers. Yes, I appreciate they could have refused to have gotten involved, but such is the naivety of youth, eh?
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 1:00 PM BST
I tend to agree with GEORGE. Some of the others charged are considerably older and have some...er....history. Poor Vasey is still under 30 though I think.          Laugh
Report maxheadroom May 20, 2011 1:06 PM BST
interesting how twitter links some of these following each other Laugh
Report I Love Fanny May 20, 2011 1:06 PM BST
Maurice and Crickmore are all round good guys [:p]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8222356.stm
Report Princess Purple Guitar May 20, 2011 1:10 PM BST
how can jocks get involved with people like this in the first place - are they born wrong? naturally stupid? greedy? ignorant?..surely being able to do a job which you love and most of us would give a right arm to do should be enough...clearly not though...hope they get the full book treatment - no sympathy at all
Report jkay May 20, 2011 1:12 PM BST
I cant remember exactly i think the horse was Salon backed from 20/1 to 6/1 five minutes before off drifted 6/1 to 20/1 Paul Doe's feet slipped out of irons coming out of stalls und immeadiately pulled up. It was about time of these cases. I reported it to BHA nothing happened. Doe shoul have been warned off years ago he's Brighton Mafia.
Report jkay May 20, 2011 1:12 PM BST
I cant remember exactly i think the horse was Salon backed from 20/1 to 6/1 five minutes before off drifted 6/1 to 20/1 Paul Doe's feet slipped out of irons coming out of stalls und immeadiately pulled up. It was about time of these cases. I reported it to BHA nothing happened. Doe shoul have been warned off years ago he's Brighton Mafia.
Report Irish are lucky May 20, 2011 1:18 PM BST
vassey and kendrick LaughLaughLaugh

I thought fryboy was the people's punter.He must not have known,
LaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report jonny40 May 20, 2011 1:42 PM BST
Fryboy, as lots will tell you, is as straight as a dye, and has absolutely nothing to worry about! Some of those mentioned couldve been winning ost members though!!



Jon
Report Roger De Bris May 20, 2011 2:03 PM BST
Sherjawy 8th April 2009 was ridden by Sam Hitchcott?
Report duffy May 20, 2011 2:10 PM BST
of course looking back on the rides now it's hard to have an open mind but just looked back at obe gold at catterick....and it does look like an absolute shocker!!
Report salmon spray May 20, 2011 2:11 PM BST
I don`t think it was a one-man crusade watchit.
Report Roger De Bris May 20, 2011 2:13 PM BST
Greg has perfected missing the break.
Report Carl May 20, 2011 2:17 PM BST
How were they charged anyway? Didn't Willie tell em to run?
Report duffy May 20, 2011 2:17 PM BST
funny how most of the races being reviewed are ATR courses....perhaps they didn't want to risk the RUK team commenting on the rides....probably thought that the ATR may not be quite as "adept" at spotting anything wrong....perhaps allegedly [;)][;)]
Report bix May 20, 2011 2:21 PM BST
It seems to me that the BHA only investigates rides when 'unusual betting patterns'occur. In their statement they say they want to re-assure the public that the vast majority of races are straight.Do they not watch Maiden races and handicaps where the sole purpose of running is to get a low handicap mark ? Who are they kidding?

Or the races where one of the fancied runners drifts badly just before the off and then misses the break, catches them up, runs wide on the bend and then is taken back inside to run up the back of horses in front. All this is accompanied by furious riding particularly towards the end of the race when all chance has gone.
We all know the stables where when the horse is not supported it runs a completely different race to when the money's down.
All part and parcel of racing and always has been but so much more obvious these days particularly with the exchanges.
Report fawwon May 20, 2011 2:24 PM BST
Report par May 20, 2011 2:26 PM BST
that Catterick race was interesting
Report Shrew D May 20, 2011 2:34 PM BST
Roger De Bris
20 May 11 14:03 Joined: 27 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 3,511 | Blogger: Roger De Bris's blog
Sherjawy 8th April 2009 was ridden by Sam Hitchcott?
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That is correct. What's your point? Confused
Report Sir Gary Neville May 20, 2011 2:40 PM BST
Hitchcott was the jockey on Sherjawy, Doe has been charged with the following in relation to the race ..... additionally charged with a breach of Rule 243 of the old Rules of Racing in that it is alleged they communicated directly or indirectly to one or more betting exchange account holders, for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind, information relating to the prospects of the named horse. So draw you own conclusions.
Report bix May 20, 2011 3:14 PM BST
I haven't read the Post for years. Do they ever comment on some of the blatant discrepencies which are obvious on here?
Report RATTLESNAKE May 20, 2011 3:45 PM BST
ive got the names of the all five in front of me i got them sent to me at 9am this morning from a good source betf removed my post and will prob not even show this
Report Daryl Revok May 20, 2011 3:50 PM BST
The 'interference' Doe suffered, while racing in isolation, on Our Kes, in March, is one of the strangest things I have seen in racing.
Report AlainCharnier..Macau. May 20, 2011 4:46 PM BST
PIKEYS.
Report hello :-) May 20, 2011 4:52 PM BST
Is the game clean now ?
Report cooperman May 20, 2011 6:21 PM BST
Report ClayDavis May 20, 2011 6:39 PM BST
U have to credit KF for not falling into Milkshake's trap. Let me explain. Before KF was in the scene, Doh! Boy had a milkshake and rumour had it GF also had a milkshake. (even further back, Pulhane had a milkshake!!!!)
Amazing scenes.
She got the exacta but where was the trifecta I hear you ask? Ah but KF is as straight as a dye.
She is obviously a wrong un LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report TheHonestScouser May 20, 2011 7:27 PM BST
Goes to show b*nt racing is, as the people in question would be in no way the worst off*nders.  Htf do the likes of D*n*h*e, S***c*r, C*lh** etc continue to avoid pr*secution
Report jimnast May 20, 2011 7:32 PM BST
we all know things went on in the past but at least then you had to be a bit tricky,now anyone can do it the exchanges have seen to that.
Report Racecourse Regular May 20, 2011 7:37 PM BST
indeed and then just open up under a different account or move to Purple.  I would be interested to know how many accounts purple have that have been closed down on here or even  if the two companies share information
Report icantbelieveyousaidthat May 20, 2011 8:33 PM BST
How about examining some races involving the jockeys upto date - as a result of morning activity I had reason to pay attention to a particular race a few weeks ago where one of the five had plenty matched at 1.01 in the place market (let alone the win market) through a seemingly ill judged ride. Always trying!
Report acey deucy May 20, 2011 8:42 PM BST
Yes but **e*t** d**r***.is the worst of the lot,rancid.
Report know all May 20, 2011 10:09 PM BST
no one should be caught they know the rules, use a £10 asda phone one weeks use throw it away simples
Report jetaway May 20, 2011 10:12 PM BST
why you can get one from tescos for a fiver with ten quid credit
Report know all May 20, 2011 10:20 PM BST
hollands friend was trying to buy em abroad in a shop alledegly as reported in the racing post about a year ago
Report wizardofoz May 21, 2011 10:54 AM BST
It's alarming to think that the BHA are only nabbing the greedy and stupid.

The clever ones who pull the odd stroke are getting a clear run.
Report nanny May 21, 2011 11:26 AM BST
the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.
Report nanny May 21, 2011 11:26 AM BST
the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.
Report nanny May 21, 2011 11:26 AM BST
the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.
Report nanny May 21, 2011 11:26 AM BST
the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.
Report nanny May 21, 2011 11:26 AM BST
the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.
Report AlainCharnier..Macau. May 21, 2011 12:04 PM BST
The BHA are indeed a gutless and mercenary organisation.
Report Deltâ May 21, 2011 12:14 PM BST
nanny seems to have fat fingers
Report TRD.Racing May 21, 2011 1:50 PM BST
Shirley if found guilty all jockeys should get lifetime bans
Report bix May 21, 2011 2:39 PM BST
If the BHA banned all jockeys guity of riding non tryers there would be no racing. Anyone on here and watching the races will be aware of numerous instances most days, where horses are unsupported in the market and given very quiet rides, some more blatant than others but apparently unnoticed by the stewards.
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