5 CHARGED IN CORRUPTION ENQUIRY

You have to give the defence time to prepare a case and 5 months is really quite fast, would not surprise me if the date slips into next year

so still time for them all to get their legal expenses then

BHA says charges against 13 as "result of a lengthy, detailed and complex investigation, following suspicious betting activity"

are betfair eddie and tony pullhane not in the BHA's investigations.....?

So this isn't a criminal case?  Surely by their actions they are defrauding alot of people and the case should be treated in a court of law.

Shrew D     20 May 11 11:47 
mrcombustible
20 May 11 11:28 Joined: 18 Feb 02 | Topic/replies: 294 | Blogger: mrcombustible's blog
Race 7  ridden by Hitchcott, only jockey not charged
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That's because it wasn't a bent ride.

That race is down to P Doe giving info for reward.

Cheers

Just said on Sky that bets placed with normal bookmakers have been looked in to,not just Betfair

Sines and Crickmore's mobile homes activities chill the blood. Plenty of material via Google.

how j-p and eddie havent got the call up beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i dont know if this has already been asked. But how can 'traditional' bookmakers be involved? you can only back horses to win with them?

Each of the jockeys have additionally charged with a breach of rule 243 in that it is alleged they communicated directly or indirectly to one or more betting exchange account holders, for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind.


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wonder which forumite snitched :o

none of them will give a ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)]

I have taken bets from one of the charged,nasty piece of work

dg1981

May 11 11:54

i dont know if this has already been asked. But how can 'traditional' bookmakers be involved? you can only back horses to win with them?


No fishing on this thread.  Cheers.

jp seems ok snooker 1...although if the trainer connection right i can see what u mean ....any jocks who get drunk after racing...loose lips....n all that

the b-h-a will be made to look like clowns yet again its 1-01!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![;)][;)][;)]

Did she hold you down and beat you senseless on till you complied Huggy?

poor you.

jp ok lol please he couldnt lie stright in bed 100 per cent NAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just look at crickmore's trainer's of choice,says it all really

i'm not fishing aviboyd. i'm just interested in how they are involved? i'm obviously not as big a racing enthusiast/addict as you. didn't realise the question was a bit of a taboo subject!

ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo
20 May 11 11:51

So this isn't a criminal case?  Surely by their actions they are defrauding alot of people and the case should be treated in a court of law.


Do you not remember the Fallon Case debacle?  Best way the BHA can hope to get these people out of the sport is to hold the investigation 'in house'.  Not to say it is right that they won't obtain a criminal record mind - in any other walk of life, etc etc...

any jockeys on the list who frequent dun stall bar after racing involved yet???? lol

Come on dg1981.  If you know that a horse at the head of the market is not going to win a race there are numerous ways of profiting from the range of bets offered by traditional bookmakers.

Jimmy Quinn


Anyone surprised ?

1-01 its all to do with OBE lol[;)][;)][;)]

One of the races which they showed as part of the investigation, would like to see it again.

The BHA  hands are somewhat tied in respect of any punishment being delivered in the  the event of those charged being found guilty of the alleged offences, as the court convened is nothing more than a Star Chamber.

ahhh i see where your coming from. so for example. if they knew they'd keep pushing the price out to entice people in? thank you

We need to see these races from all angles. The one advantage of the exchanges, more people are being investigated.

that's why bookies hate exchanges as before the exchanges came along, bookies used to be the only people who could fix races.

who cares this will all blow over in a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dale Gibson certainly won't know anything, he's ridden horses part owned by Mr Crickmore.

corruption is a part of horse racing, always has been and always will be. there just the ones daft enough to get caught.

Are you sure Marilyn?  I assume this investigation was initiated long before Betty became a PLC...

wee eck
To some extent you are correct but so are other sports ruling bodies,not to mention professional associations such as the BMA

Aviboyd, like with most things it is our own opionion as we do not know all the facts......are most of us do not. But some people think there was minimal
corruption before the exchanges. The real problem with the exchanges is that it is easier to corrupt a race...ie laying.

I recall this pair, Sines and Crickmor being embroiled with 'goings on' in the past. I seem to recall their trainer left the country.

ts good to see theyre doing something although one cant help the absence of bg name jocks who clearly put in the odd 'suspect' ride that is simply indefensible at times.

cant help think the bha are just  picking on the small fish!

im still not satisfied, want a shark, not a bunch of kippers!!

p.s- how does tony do it[;)]

Old Romney trained by M wigham was owned by Crickmore

Salmon spray  point taken.

Sines and Crickmore sound lovely.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8222356.stm

It seems to me that the BHA only investigates rides when 'unusual betting patterns'occur. In their statement they say they want to re-assure the public that the vast majority of races are straight.Do they not watch Maiden races and handicaps where the sole purpose of running is to get a low handicap mark ? Who are they kidding?

It seems to me that the BHA only investigates rides when 'unusual betting patterns'occur. In their statement they say they want to re-assure the public that the vast majority of races are straight.Do they not watch Maiden races and handicaps where the sole purpose of running is to get a low handicap mark ? Who are they kidding?

One of the charged also liked backing dodgy greyhounds at Sheffield

Of course we're all supposed to believe the trainers of the horses involved were blissfully unaware of all the goings on?, and I presume the jockeys all still ride regulary for said trainers? and they saw nothing untoward with the rides given to their horses?.

Perhaps it`s about time the BHA had a " fit and proper person " rule for ownership.
I daresay somebody will tell me they already do       

salmon spray     Joined: 10 Jan 07
Replies: 9612 20 May 11 12:26 
Perhaps it`s about time the BHA had a " fit and proper person " rule for ownership.
I daresay somebody will tell me they already do       

They do

terry norman(agent to ahern fallon and kelly) wants an apology from everyone who bandied eddie aherns name around. the words NECK and BRASS spring to mind. wac

I thought they might have. Perhaps they should try enforcing it.

Have you already forgotten the farce that was the trial of K.Fallon.Supposedly fixed races when the evidence produced showed that of the races he was supposed to lose his win % was higher than any jockey that year!!Let's wait and see what
Struthers has come up with this time before jumping to conclusions.It's possible that the BHA is doing more to 'bring racing into disrepute'than anyone else!

They decided to go down the criminal route with Fallon. There was no way he could have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The threshold won`t be that high this time

salmon spray     20 May 11 12:31 
I thought they might have. Perhaps they should try enforcing it.

They did salmon spray. They clamped down on Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov. It's been suggested that Mr. Kadyrov has been involved in some overly boisterous activities in the past, and the BHA felt that he wasn't the type of chap who should be associated with British racing.

As I am a bit vulnerable I had better be careful but try googling the two owners charged

shame on these individuals. Let a lesson be learned from those others practicing such activities. You will be found - rather easily. Betfair hasn't the liquidity to hide such lays. What fools you are

Benatom     Joined: 28 May 04
Replies: 2860 20 May 11 12:04 
Jimmy Quinn


Anyone surprised ?



Only that its taken so long..

What a surprise & disappointment to have it confirmed that Milczarek & Fairley are two of the charged jockeys.

If they're found guilty, those who have led them down the garden path should hang their heads in shame for wrecking 2 promising (imo) careers. Yes, I appreciate they could have refused to have gotten involved, but such is the naivety of youth, eh?

I tend to agree with GEORGE. Some of the others charged are considerably older and have some...er....history. Poor Vasey is still under 30 though I think.         

interesting how twitter links some of these following each other

Maurice and Crickmore are all round good guys [:p]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8222356.stm

how can jocks get involved with people like this in the first place - are they born wrong? naturally stupid? greedy? ignorant?..surely being able to do a job which you love and most of us would give a right arm to do should be enough...clearly not though...hope they get the full book treatment - no sympathy at all

I cant remember exactly i think the horse was Salon backed from 20/1 to 6/1 five minutes before off drifted 6/1 to 20/1 Paul Doe's feet slipped out of irons coming out of stalls und immeadiately pulled up. It was about time of these cases. I reported it to BHA nothing happened. Doe shoul have been warned off years ago he's Brighton Mafia.

I cant remember exactly i think the horse was Salon backed from 20/1 to 6/1 five minutes before off drifted 6/1 to 20/1 Paul Doe's feet slipped out of irons coming out of stalls und immeadiately pulled up. It was about time of these cases. I reported it to BHA nothing happened. Doe shoul have been warned off years ago he's Brighton Mafia.

vassey and kendrick

I thought fryboy was the people's punter.He must not have known,

Fryboy, as lots will tell you, is as straight as a dye, and has absolutely nothing to worry about! Some of those mentioned couldve been winning ost members though!!



Jon

Sherjawy 8th April 2009 was ridden by Sam Hitchcott?

of course looking back on the rides now it's hard to have an open mind but just looked back at obe gold at catterick....and it does look like an absolute shocker!!

I don`t think it was a one-man crusade watchit.

Greg has perfected missing the break.

How were they charged anyway? Didn't Willie tell em to run?

funny how most of the races being reviewed are ATR courses....perhaps they didn't want to risk the RUK team commenting on the rides....probably thought that the ATR may not be quite as "adept" at spotting anything wrong....perhaps allegedly [;)][;)]

It seems to me that the BHA only investigates rides when 'unusual betting patterns'occur. In their statement they say they want to re-assure the public that the vast majority of races are straight.Do they not watch Maiden races and handicaps where the sole purpose of running is to get a low handicap mark ? Who are they kidding?

Or the races where one of the fancied runners drifts badly just before the off and then misses the break, catches them up, runs wide on the bend and then is taken back inside to run up the back of horses in front. All this is accompanied by furious riding particularly towards the end of the race when all chance has gone.
We all know the stables where when the horse is not supported it runs a completely different race to when the money's down.
All part and parcel of racing and always has been but so much more obvious these days particularly with the exchanges.

that Catterick race was interesting

Roger De Bris
20 May 11 14:03 Joined: 27 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 3,511 | Blogger: Roger De Bris's blog
Sherjawy 8th April 2009 was ridden by Sam Hitchcott?
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That is correct. What's your point?

Hitchcott was the jockey on Sherjawy, Doe has been charged with the following in relation to the race ..... additionally charged with a breach of Rule 243 of the old Rules of Racing in that it is alleged they communicated directly or indirectly to one or more betting exchange account holders, for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind, information relating to the prospects of the named horse. So draw you own conclusions.

I haven't read the Post for years. Do they ever comment on some of the blatant discrepencies which are obvious on here?

ive got the names of the all five in front of me i got them sent to me at 9am this morning from a good source betf removed my post and will prob not even show this

The 'interference' Doe suffered, while racing in isolation, on Our Kes, in March, is one of the strangest things I have seen in racing.

PIKEYS.

Is the game clean now ?

U have to credit KF for not falling into Milkshake's trap. Let me explain. Before KF was in the scene, Doh! Boy had a milkshake and rumour had it GF also had a milkshake. (even further back, Pulhane had a milkshake!!!!)
Amazing scenes.
She got the exacta but where was the trifecta I hear you ask? Ah but KF is as straight as a dye.
She is obviously a wrong un

Goes to show b*nt racing is, as the people in question would be in no way the worst off*nders.  Htf do the likes of D*n*h*e, S***c*r, C*lh** etc continue to avoid pr*secution

we all know things went on in the past but at least then you had to be a bit tricky,now anyone can do it the exchanges have seen to that.

indeed and then just open up under a different account or move to Purple.  I would be interested to know how many accounts purple have that have been closed down on here or even  if the two companies share information

How about examining some races involving the jockeys upto date - as a result of morning activity I had reason to pay attention to a particular race a few weeks ago where one of the five had plenty matched at 1.01 in the place market (let alone the win market) through a seemingly ill judged ride. Always trying!

Yes but **e*t** d**r***.is the worst of the lot,rancid.

no one should be caught they know the rules, use a £10 asda phone one weeks use throw it away simples

why you can get one from tescos for a fiver with ten quid credit

hollands friend was trying to buy em abroad in a shop alledegly as reported in the racing post about a year ago

It's alarming to think that the BHA are only nabbing the greedy and stupid.

The clever ones who pull the odd stroke are getting a clear run.

the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.

the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.

the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.

the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.

the bha are gutless. the big stables will never be targeted because of who owns most of the horses.most of the nags involved in these races would have needed 8 legs in order to win, and to charge kirsty milczarek is stupid since her horse was running for the 2nd time in 24 hours,an excuse in itself, and they should withdraw the charge immediately, before she sues themfor defimation.

The BHA are indeed a gutless and mercenary organisation.

nanny seems to have fat fingers

Shirley if found guilty all jockeys should get lifetime bans

If the BHA banned all jockeys guity of riding non tryers there would be no racing. Anyone on here and watching the races will be aware of numerous instances most days, where horses are unsupported in the market and given very quiet rides, some more blatant than others but apparently unnoticed by the stewards.