Not sure if it would be financially and emotionally worth your while but timing an autobiography for the Christmas market at some point would be a good seller,maybe even great.I would certainly buy one as I find there is a real lack of reading material from authors that I feel are part of the fabric of this way of life. Also does anyone know where I could buy Inside the mind of a professional by Russel Clarke(not on amazon or ebay) and any other recommendations for keeping the head straight type books?
Not sure if it would be financially and emotionally worth your while but timing an autobiography for the Christmas market at some point would be a good seller,maybe even great.I would certainly buy one as I find there is a real lack of reading materi
dont know if its still available via the website but thats where i bought my copy "inside the mind of a professional"i enjoyed it and still have it but the only criticism being its more like a binder and not a book, plain A4 with gloss front and rear held together by a slide down sleeve, a bit shabby for £15 but as said a good read
dont know if its still available via the website but thats where i bought my copy "inside the mind of a professional"i enjoyed it and still have it but the only criticism being its more like a binder and not a book, plain A4 with gloss front and rear
every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.
Timeless.
Those words should be automatically posted by Betfair every time another thread asking "How much can I make per week with a bank of £xxxx pounds" is started!
every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession
Alan, it is clear that although Beyer was undoubtedly right about the viewpoint of society as a whole, you personally have the blessing of the honourable society of punters... But the million dollar question is: Are you still managing to make it pay? The honourable members very much hope the answer is yes. All the best,
Alan, it is clear that although Beyer was undoubtedly right about the viewpoint of society as a whole, you personally have the blessing of the honourable society of punters... But the million dollar question is: Are you still managing to make it pay?
I would just like to mention on here Alan's first class commentary on his premium rate tipping service following Frankie Dettori's magic 7 winners at Ascot back in September 1996. I was so impressed with Alan's commentary the day following Frankie's 7 wins that I decided to record his commentary for posterity as it was so superb and summed up everyone's feelings about the whole occasion!
Sadly, the tape came to an end before Alan's commentary had finished, so I only managed to record about 2/3rds of the 'speech'. That's something I will always remember. It cost me a few quid to listen to it a couple of times, but it was really well worth it!
I would just like to mention on here Alan's first class commentary on his premium rate tipping service following Frankie Dettori's magic 7 winners at Ascot back in September 1996. I was so impressed with Alan's commentary the day following Frankie's
Come on alan, we all want an autobiography, warts and all. What most autobiographies miss is the real feelings of people. I understand, due to libel laws, that you cannot say what you want some of the time, but I would like your views on your personal life etc and how horseracing has changed it. What I liked about your books was your honesty, you did not make out to make squillions betting.
As I said before I think you can do print to order, even on amazon. Look it up. PLEASE
Come on alan, we all want an autobiography, warts and all. What most autobiographies miss is the real feelings of people. I understand, due to libel laws, that you cannot say what you want some of the time, but I would like your views on your perso
russel clarke, last i heard about 15 years ago was he went abroad, spain? as a salesman?, i still have a letter off russ asking about my methods and i wrote him a few pages back, 6 months later he was up and running and went about publishing articles and books on his own methods, i think he loved horseracing and got his foot in the door that way but i seem to remember he was a nice chap.
you still cant beat the form book and ratings, so many stats that also make it easier. i still use my methods very well on 2-3 and 4 year old, improving horses only.
lots on here have forgotten, to make it pay you need winners, lots of hard work, you make far less laying and even less trading.
russel clarke, last i heard about 15 years ago was he went abroad, spain? as a salesman?, i still have a letter off russ asking about my methods and i wrote him a few pages back, 6 months later he was up and running and went about publishing articles
his website seems to be gone so if anyone wants to sell his book or a copy of it.. also found this article from smartsig.Seems a fairly up to date interview. Sometimes has up to 3 figure bets on a football game nowadays!
his website seems to be gone so if anyone wants to sell his book or a copy of it..also found this article from smartsig.Seems a fairly up to date interview. Sometimes has up to 3 figure bets on a football game nowadays!
Muqbil Joined: 18 May 03 Replies: 2022 28 Aug 10 07:22
every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.
Timeless.
Those words should be automatically posted by Betfair every time another thread asking "How much can I make per week with a bank of £xxxx pounds" is started!
Would be pointless. imo.
The idiots that post such threads, couldn't/wouldn't read it:-
a) too long and b) contains too many words they don't understand
Muqbil Joined: 18 May 03Replies: 2022 28 Aug 10 07:22 every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than tri
"...every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity".
This really sums up why I'm so drawn to racing and betting! It's a love-hate relationship all the way. But even when I hate it, I still love it, but I never hate loving it! [smiley:crazy]
"...every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid success
it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.
I would suggest that society does not view horseracing as 'utter frivolity' but as a seedy hobby only pursued by stupid people.
I went to grammar school and university , but throughout my life my family, friends and boyfriends, except the glorious few who have shared my interest, have, I think, thought less of me for betting on horses They seem to think that I must be stupid to bet, seeing as they see it as a 'mugs game'. They do not see the intellectual challenge it brings.
The only time one of my brothers was shaken from his belief was when I told him about the chartered surveyor who had won over £800,000 on the racing post's ten to follow competitions. My brother is a chartered surveyor and a fellow of RICS.
Racing for change should perhaps focus more on changing the perception of the general public concerning horseracing.
it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.I would suggest that society does not view horseracing as 'utter frivolity' but as a seedy hobby only pursued
Do you go into betting shops very often Annie ? if so whats the reaction of punters towards you ? if there are any left in your local betting office that is ....
Do you go into betting shops very often Annie ? if so whats the reaction of punters towards you ? if there are any left in your local betting office that is ....
"........ focus more on changing the perception of the general public concerning horseracing."
think the perception is people who gamble are some sort of idiots, although horse racing can be a game of skill rather than pure chance, it is still gambling, although TV coverage does a lot to get over the glamorous image, but typical of the attitude that exists the poor bloke in the betting shop is still seen as some idiot low-life.
"........ focus more on changing the perception of the general public concerning horseracing."think the perception is people who gamble are some sort of idiots,although horse racing can be a game of skill rather than pure chance,it is still gambling
you could say the same about horse racing ownership seeing as the majority of owners lose money
infact take football club ownership, now thats a mugs game of the highest order
you could say the same about horse racing ownership seeing as the majority of owners lose moneyinfact take football club ownership, now thats a mugs game of the highest order
I have hardly had a bet in a betting shop since I started on betfair. However, most of my betting life has been spent in betting shops and for all that time I have wished I was a man in one. As you say, now they are deserted, but I remember when they used to be packed and you could have a good crack with the other punters. But I did have problems being a woman among men.
educatorI have hardly had a bet in a betting shop since I started on betfair. However, most of my betting life has been spent in betting shops and for all that time I have wished I was a man in one. As you say, now they are deserted, but I remember
if alan wants to write another book i can get all the elements sorted for him, have it ghost written, proofed, published etc so no need to put too much time into it, no need to put any money up front either, genuine offer if interested ill send my contact details
if alan wants to write another book i can get all the elements sorted for him, have it ghost written, proofed, published etc so no need to put too much time into it, no need to put any money up front either, genuine offer if interested ill send my co
Annie, to be honest I don't think there is any chance whatsoever of changing the perception of people about betting.
It's ok to have a go on the Grand National, but apart from that if you show any kind of interest then the average non-betting person is likely to assume all kinds of things about you. Those assumptions are never normally favourable.
Annie, to be honest I don't think there is any chance whatsoever of changing the perception of people about betting. It's ok to have a go on the Grand National, but apart from that if you show any kind of interest then the average non-betting person
Annie first thoughts were lesbian and thats not meant as an insult as you are clearly not that based on the other comments you have posted, its just me admitting that even i have a prejudiced attitude which i can assure you is out of character for me. i wouldn't have the same attitude towards a female member of staff but my image of a female punter is one of "going out with an heroine addict" or as stated previously. I guess this is born out of an old school attitude and a self admittance that betting is for mugs and not for the more intelligent and fairer species, very chauvinistic but i am sure you understand i am not really like that. Never met an intellectual female punter that has a decent amount of knowledge about betting. Maybe you should write a book, "surviving in a mans world", tell a few stories of your betting shop experiences, throw in a few systems and strategies, your time on the forum, the prejudice shown to you even by your family, would be a best seller, oh just one thing needed to promote it, you need to land the scoop 6 , good luck with that
Anniefirst thoughts were lesbian and thats not meant as an insult as you are clearly not that based on the other comments you have posted, its just me admitting that even i have a prejudiced attitude which i can assure you is out of character for me
Re writing books in general; no money in it unless you want to write sensationalised topical stuff.
The reward comes from the people who readit and give you good feedback.
If you get tempted Alan, I found Blackwells good, (minimum run 100), like you found the big book companies want to screw you into the ground; as bad as big betting chains.[;)]
Brilliant thread.Re PVs book I found it a good read.Re writing books in general; no money in it unless you want to write sensationalised topical stuff.The reward comes from the people who readit and give you good feedback.If you get tempted Alan, I f
My god, educator, you have made me feel even worse about going into a bookies if that is what men think
You say the image of a female punter is that of a girlfriend to a heroin addict or 'as stated previously' - what was stated previously?
My god, educator, you have made me feel even worse about going into a bookies if that is what men think You say the image of a female punter is that of a girlfriend to a heroin addict or 'as stated previously' - what was stated previously?
please don't take offence, personality can easily overcome this and no doubt you have one, the heroine addict image comes from the young girls sat next to th heroine addicts playing the Fobt's in a shop i no longer go in, for that reason
As stated previously was lesbian please don't take offence, personality can easily overcome this and no doubt you have one, the heroine addict image comes from the young girls sat next to th heroine addicts playing the Fobt's in a shop i no longer g
I have both his books and read them, along with "Betting for a living" by Nick Mordin and "100 hints for better betting" by Mark Coton every year without fail. All 4 books have taught me to be disciplined, calm and to avoid being greedy. Thanks to those books I strike about 150 bets a year maximum and (so far) end up in profit every year, compared to the time when I just made it up as I went along and lost every year without fail, like just another mug.
If I could pick out 1 piece of advice from Alan's books it is the phrase "what is your angle?"..."if you have no angle into the race then why are you betting in it?"
Thank you Mr Potts
This is a great thread thanks to Mr Potts.I have both his books and read them, along with "Betting for a living" by Nick Mordin and "100 hints for better betting" by Mark Coton every year without fail. All 4 books have taught me to be disciplined, c
great thread suggestion for horse racing newcomers "Braddocks complete guide to horse race selection and betting" perhaps a bit old fashioned but in my view it is sound
great thread suggestion for horse racing newcomers "Braddocks complete guide to horse race selection and betting" perhaps a bit old fashioned but in my view it is sound
Reading this thread has reminded me of a quandary.
I have often thought what would happen to my collection of hundreds of racing books, should I die. I have no intention of dying anytime soon, but the waste if they are just thrown away would be annoying. Any suggestions?
Reading this thread has reminded me of a quandary. I have often thought what would happen to my collection of hundreds of racing books, should I die. I have no intention of dying anytime soon, but the waste if they are just thrown away would be ann
Not to go of the main topic but I used to run a tipping service and was astounded by the amount of women that joined I would say that around 10% were female.
Not to go of the main topic but I used to run a tipping service and was astounded by the amount of women that joined I would say that around 10% were female.
I,v got about 150 books in my horse racing collection and I would put your 2 in my top 5. They are excellent. If somebody told you 10 years ago that betting shops would offer tax free betting and guaranteed prices and also that there would soon be a betting medium where you could bet on horse racing with no margin against you except 2% - 5% commission I'm sure you would have said they were living in dreamland. You're right, things have changed!
Hi AlanI,v got about 150 books in my horse racing collection and I would put your 2 in my top 5. They are excellent. If somebody told you 10 years ago that betting shops would offer tax free betting and guaranteed prices and also that there would soo
I always thought I would have the line Melior morior bellator, quam ago profugus. (Better to die fighting than live fleeing or better to die on your feet than to live on your knees) on my gravestone, but that has now been surpassed....
every confirmed horseplayer is racked by doubts what he is doing with his life. he is playing the toughest game in the world.even a winner will necessarily experience more frustrations than triumphs and when the frustrations come in rapid succession he may wonder if the struggle is worth it.having been reared to become an intellectual, i was seduced by horse-race betting because it offers more mental challenge than any subject in the academic world. few people ever master it. men that are successful in every other facet of their lives, can tackle racing and be frustrated, bewildered or even ruined. it is maddening that society confers its blessings on traditional academic pursuits but views the study of horse racing as utter frivolity.
True, I may need a larger headstone, but we should all leave something for future generations.
C'mon BF, put that text on your homepage and inspire us all to greater things!
I always thought I would have the line Melior morior bellator, quam ago profugus. (Better to die fighting than live fleeing or better to die on your feet than to live on your knees) on my gravestone, but that has now been surpassed....every confirmed
the lay preacher 29 Aug 10 18:28 ajtd that is the exact line i have always remembered from that book. it should be imbedded into every punters brain.
WHAT IS YOUR ANGLE.
Great thread this, when you find your Angle, keep it to yourself.
the lay preacher 29 Aug 10 18:28 ajtd that is the exact line i have always remembered from that book.it should be imbedded into every punters brain. WHAT IS YOUR ANGLE.Great thread this, when you find your Angle, keep it to yours
the anorack, i fully believe you when you say how they cheated you out of your royalties & then are allowed to go bust & then buy it back for peanuts & carry on selling it. Its disgusting & how the law can allow that to happen is beyond me. It doesnt take a genius to see its corrupt & cheating at its highest level & gives out the message that you dont have to be honest. I thought as an englishman our law was above that, but boy how wrong i am. Good luck in the future mate & all other betfair users.
the anorack, i fully believe you when you say how they cheated you out of your royalties & then are allowed to go bust & then buy it back for peanuts & carry on selling it. Its disgusting & how the law can allow that to happen is beyond me. It doesnt
Glengarry GR, I take your point about keeping your angle quiet but I think too much can be made of it.
It might depend on what your angle is. I fancy myself as a paddock judge, and sharing that information is unlikely to hurt my edge, though I concede it might be different if someone announced that Henry Cecil sports a blue handkerchief in his top pocket whenever he really fancies one.
Every week, James Pyman in the Post and Nick Mordin in the Weekender give away winning angles, and the world has not come to an end.
I believe we all benefit from a wider discussion of rational approaches to horseracing, rather than random gambling or "it's all bent".
Glengarry GR, I take your point about keeping your angle quiet but I think too much can be made of it.It might depend on what your angle is. I fancy myself as a paddock judge, and sharing that information is unlikely to hurt my edge, though I concede
I am suprised to see people talking via computer about someone producing 20,000 hard copies of an updated niche market book. especially if the author is looking at 12% of the selling price as revenue. why not be bold and produce a downloadable book that could sell at a fraction of the price? you know the target audience, so there's no great need for marketing beyond an interview on RUK or ATR and the odd forum message to say the book is available. plus you can edit or update sections from time to time as you see fit.
I am suprised to see people talking via computer about someone producing 20,000 hard copies of an updated niche market book. especially if the author is looking at 12% of the selling price as revenue. why not be bold and produce a downloadable book
i have just read this thread from start to finish and it has restored my faith in the forum so thank you mr potts i will now try to get hold of your books take care and be lucky
i have just read this thread from start to finish and it has restored my faith in the forum so thank you mr potts i will now try to get hold of your books take care and be lucky
Sugarfoot, it costs a fortune in ink to print out those downloadable books....no way i'd ever read one on the computer (part. after spending all day watching racing etc)
Sugarfoot, it costs a fortune in ink to print out those downloadable books....no way i'd ever read one on the computer (part. after spending all day watching racing etc)
This is an absolute phising scam. He was rubbish, and got worse.
Bookmakers retired on his proceeds to them. There was no such person, he was the 1980 version of "A Bloody good bet"etc.
This is an absolute phising scam. He was rubbish, and got worse.Bookmakers retired on his proceeds to them. There was no such person, he was the 1980 version of "A Bloody good bet"etc.
abbot,Not to go of the main topic but I used to run a tipping service and was astounded by the amount of women that joined I would say that around 10% were female.
a womens only tipping service great idea, it will work just like the womens only gyms, someone should call themselves "big tips" and a strapline like "come and grab my grab my big tips" you will need to put on a womens voice and the dressing up will be optional
abbot,Not to go of the main topic but I used to run a tipping service and was astounded by the amount of women that joined I would say that around 10% were female.a womens only tipping service great idea, it will work just like the womens only gyms,
Also just read through this from start to finish. Shows how good this forum can be when the morons give it a rest.
I have an old second hand copy of Alan's book, but would definitely buy a new version if it was published, either hard copy or kindle. A great read.
All the best Alan
Also just read through this from start to finish. Shows how good this forum can be when the morons give it a rest.I have an old second hand copy of Alan's book, but would definitely buy a new version if it was published, either hard copy or kindle. A
koikeeper • November 14, 2013 2:36 PM GMT I believe you "stalked " your wife before you were married? as stated by you martyn, you got a job at a school where she worked to be near her...ended up marrying , then divorced a year later..Sad..seems she couldnt compete with all these tipsters you keep thanking.
koikeeper • November 14, 2013 2:36 PM GMTI believe you "stalked " your wife before you were married?as stated by you martyn, you got a job at a school where she worked to be near her...ended up marrying , then divorced a year later..Sad..seems she
A great read, a pity more racing personalities don't post on the forum, although I can understand why they don't.
TheAnorak posted on a thread yesterday regarding the ground at Wincanton.
A great read, a pity more racing personalities don't post on the forum, although I can understand why they don't.TheAnorak posted on a thread yesterday regarding the ground at Wincanton.
Whippin Piccadilly 25 Aug 10 15:55 The book Against The Crowd & Clive Holt's book Winners Back Winners For me, are the best 2 books on the subject of betting on horse racing. The ratings formula in the latter book is very helpful for newcomers to the game, but its some of the other information, that at the time of reading didn't make much sense, but I now know it was, and still is, worth it's weight in gold. Those 2 books and along with learning from my own mistakes (the best way to learn in my opinion as there is only so much to be gleaned from books) and my own personal experiences have shaped my betting to a fairly successful degree.
Agree ,re above . Another one I'd add is Stewart Simspson's ' Always Back Winners ' . Contains sound logical advice, most of which can still be applied today.
Whippin Piccadilly 25 Aug 10 15:55 The book Against The Crowd & Clive Holt's book Winners Back Winners For me, are the best 2 books on the subject of betting on horse racing. The ratings formula in the latter book is very helpful for newcomers t
Why on earth would you need to read a book about this? Successful punting is all about common sense and only a fool would need these kind of things (and they probably shouldn't be gambling in the first place).
Why on earth would you need to read a book about this? Successful punting is all about common sense and only a fool would need these kind of things (and they probably shouldn't be gambling in the first place).
Learning the art (more importantly the science) of successful punting requires loads of experience and guidance.
From my own point of view being an enthusiastic fan of racing was not enough to turn my punting into profit. After 15 years I finally was able to understand the art of race analysis. Knowing and weighing up the significance of what I had seen with my own eyes.
This still had to be converted into a 'tissue' for each race that I was intending to have a bet in. I did not know at what price my selection was value to back in relation to the strength of the opposition.
For me, reading Braddock's Complete Guide To Horse Race Selection & Betting was a eureka moment of such simplicity that everything then slipped into place.
I have been in Peter Braddock's debt ever since.
Cant quite agree with that, Johnny.Learning the art (more importantly the science) of successful punting requires loads of experience and guidance.From my own point of view being an enthusiastic fan of racing was not enough to turn my punting into pr
After all the good replies you must be considering doing something... I for one would be very interested in whatever you did.
A couple of very interesting quotes on the thread.
Hello Alan,After all the good replies you must be considering doing something... I for one would be very interested in whatever you did.A couple of very interesting quotes on the thread.
My memory of Mr Potts was his truly wonderful and inspiring commentary on his premium rate tipping service the day after Dettori's 'Magnificent Seven' at Ascot in September 1997. I listened to it and was so impressed with his take on the afternoon's proceedings that I decided to phone the line again but this time record his conversation on my answerphone. It was about a 10 minute speech , but sadly my answerphone recording time was only about 7 minutes, so I missed the last few minutes of the speech. I proceeded to write down his message and to this day, I still have it filed away somewhere.
From that, I bought his two books and found them fascinating reading. All right, it did cost me a few quid for the telephone call, but definitely well worth it to get a transcript of what he said.
Respect to you Alan Potts!
My memory of Mr Potts was his truly wonderful and inspiring commentary on his premium rate tipping service the day after Dettori's 'Magnificent Seven' at Ascot in September 1997. I listened to it and was so impressed with his take on the afternoon's
I would agree with Alan that an IT background can have some oberlap with the mentality of punting. Computer programming is about writing code that most off the time is wrong, you refine it and its still wrong. Eventually though in the long run it comes out right, sound familiar ?.
I would also echo the kind words about Alan, he was one of the interviewees for my book, 'The Newmarket Wizards' (shameless plug), but before that I also recall meeting up with him at Towcester races and he was most accommodating and helpful. Glad to hear you are still ticking along Alan.
I would agree with Alan that an IT background can have some oberlap with the mentality of punting. Computer programming is about writing code that most off the time is wrong, you refine it and its still wrong. Eventually though in the long run it com
Sherlock lovechild whilst I doubt you still look on the forum you asked back in 2010 about fractured foxy it was 11 years ago on Saturday she ran her best race when 2nd in a Newmarket nursery on Cambridgeshire day ,she did win 4 races in her career ,she had only one foal called morning mr Norris who did win a race sadly she died not long after giving birth,hope your keeping well .
As already stated by many on here what an enjoyable thread and what a shame that many seldom if ever post anymore.
Sherlock lovechild whilst I doubt you still look on the forum you asked back in 2010 about fractured foxy it was 11 years ago on Saturday she ran her best race when 2nd in a Newmarket nursery on Cambridgeshire day ,she did win 4 races in her career ,
He still posts on here under the username of The Dufflecoat - think I saw something from him towards the end of last week re. a horse entered but not qualified for a fillie's race at Kempton today.
regards Ronnie
He still posts on here under the username of The Dufflecoat - think I saw something from him towards the end of last week re. a horse entered but not qualified for a fillie's race at Kempton today. regardsRonnie