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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6301864.ece
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Difficult ride? 
http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=WOL_2008_09_26_01_1820
http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/?va=WOL_2008_09_26_01_1820
"The jockey himself has done nothing wrong. If they understood how difficult a ride this horse is they'd actually think the chap did a good job. In fairness to Jason I think if he had pulled his stick out and given him a smack he would probably have ended up over the rails."
Dont think he needed a smack in fairness, if he had stopped the stranglehold 2f out he would have won on the bridle.
Dont think he needed a smack in fairness, if he had stopped the stranglehold 2f out he would have won on the bridle.
Won't run if its true what i heard,got stung in the mouth by a wasp coming out of the stalls.
Hahaha, WALOFS, I hope this is a fishing expedition.
I'm actually surprised we have not had the "ultra-sonic gun theory" brought out by THEM yet.
Hahaha, WALOFS, I hope this is a fishing expedition.
I'm actually surprised we have not had the "ultra-sonic gun theory" brought out by THEM yet.
Not too many got involved in this moderate handicap which went to CASELA PARK. He showed good speed at the start after breaking smartly, clearly relishing a return to this surface. The minor sprint handicap winner at Wolverhampton last season showed good[/b[b]] battling qualities, too, on his second start since going to Ireland. He got the better of the The Hamptons entering the final furlong and did enough in the closing stages to hold the luckless favourite for his second career win
Very tricky ride
Very tricky ride
"In fairness to Jason I think if he had pulled his stick out and given him a smack he would probably have ended up over the rails."
If he'd won, I think Jason was the one who'd be getting a smack
If he'd won, I think Jason was the one who'd be getting a smack
RP.com
It was a bizarre display from Irish-challenger Casela Park, who appeared a horribly tricky ride. Having been given a lot to do out the back, he was staying on from halfway but hung all over the place when put under a little pressure. His head carriage was most awkward as he kept hanging both ways, but continued to make up ground and he would have gone very close to winning had he been able to keep a true line. He has run fairly from the front before and this seemed somewhat out of character, so it was unsurprising when the stewards looked into his running and riding straight after the race. They later found the jockey to be in breach of Rule (B)59.2 in that the rider had intentionally failed to ensure that his mount had run on its merits and referred the case to Portman Square. His trainer later said the horse can be a hard ride, it was just his second outing for him and that similar tactics are likely to be deployed if, as is expected, he takes up his engagement at Musselburgh on Friday.
It was a bizarre display from Irish-challenger Casela Park, who appeared a horribly tricky ride. Having been given a lot to do out the back, he was staying on from halfway but hung all over the place when put under a little pressure. His head carriage was most awkward as he kept hanging both ways, but continued to make up ground and he would have gone very close to winning had he been able to keep a true line. He has run fairly from the front before and this seemed somewhat out of character, so it was unsurprising when the stewards looked into his running and riding straight after the race. They later found the jockey to be in breach of Rule (B)59.2 in that the rider had intentionally failed to ensure that his mount had run on its merits and referred the case to Portman Square. His trainer later said the horse can be a hard ride, it was just his second outing for him and that similar tactics are likely to be deployed if, as is expected, he takes up his engagement at Musselburgh on Friday.
they cannot be allowed get away with this
and there is no way this horse should be allowed to run on Friday
and there is no way this horse should be allowed to run on Friday
Be fair lads, the young jockette was suffering from period pains. None of us know just how difficult they can be.
The horse is clearly liable to throw in some absolute shockers, all of which come from when he doesn't lead. He seems to hate having horses right in front of him and the head carriage was clearly a sign of that. Watch his run at the Curragh at the end of last year where his jockey never goes for him, it's similar and the head carriage, although not as pronounced, is still wayward.
See so many dodgy rides every week and yet for some reason this one, where no one actually seems to have looked at the horse's form/profile properly is treated as the dodgiest ride of the century. Ridiculous stuff imo.
See so many dodgy rides every week and yet for some reason this one, where no one actually seems to have looked at the horse's form/profile properly is treated as the dodgiest ride of the century. Ridiculous stuff imo.
looked as calm as a church mouse to me when he made all at Dundalk. Whats this tricky ride cak?
Yes he made all, that's the difference, look at his form.
be10 are o having a laugh,have a look back at his run 22/9/08
tricky ride my a$$
tricky ride my a$$
come on ben, watch his other races when held up please.
this goes alot deeper,connections of this horse arent who they seem to be [;)]
Personally I feel that proves it, up the straight his head hanging to the right, and trying to go to the far rail, Queally being a top jockey has made up his mind. Notice too he's on the outside of the pack so isn't surrounded.
I'd take more issue with a ride like Fenton's on Curely's tonight in the 7:50
I'd take more issue with a ride like Fenton's on Curely's tonight in the 7:50
ben big mac cud have won on this lad today if he wanted too
1 more thing what sp do you invisage this fella on fri at Muss
1 more thing what sp do you invisage this fella on fri at Muss
Ben, if you really cant see what is happening in this race then I think you should give up the game. The horse is "hanging" as it is being throttled ffs (imo!)
u say Queally made up this fellas mind that day at wolver
well im telling you he didnt need anybody making up his mind today
would have won easy if he hadnt been choked by a jockey
who panicked when gaps started opening up in front of him that
he didnt want
was told to keep an eye on this fella derby day eve at lingfield when
fallon was due to ride for his "buddy" ronan NR
well im telling you he didnt need anybody making up his mind today
would have won easy if he hadnt been choked by a jockey
who panicked when gaps started opening up in front of him that
he didnt want
was told to keep an eye on this fella derby day eve at lingfield when
fallon was due to ride for his "buddy" ronan NR
can assure you when the moneys down he'll find the gaps....
Fair enough you're allowed your views lads, just like I have mine. I think he does go for the horse but it throws it's head around so he tries to get control back. Poor jockeys often look like they're doing something wrong when in fact they just don't have the ability. The horse won't go through the gaps, and there's no form where he does go through a gap without kicking up a fuss. Good luck anyway.
From The Guardian website:
Jockey Jason Behan may have had a low profile in Britain, but that seems sure to change after his ride aboard Casela Park, described by one racing expert as "one of the most extraordinary I have ever seen", was referred to the British Horseracing Authority by stewards at Newcastle today.
Behan, who rode out his claim in the 1990s but has had only a handful of rides since his last winner back in 2005, finished sixth of the 12 runners in the seven furlong handicap aboard the Eamon Tyrell-trained Casela Park.
Making just his second start for the stable, Casela Park was supported in from 10-1 to 8-1 on-course and having been held up in the rear, was staying on well from halfway when he started to swerve violently from left to right. Despite his actions, Casela Park continued to make up ground and eventually finished just over two lengths behind the winner.
Simon Rowlands, an independent racing analyst and former editor and handicapper at Timeform for 19 years, commented: "It was one of the most extraordinary rides that I have ever seen." Rowlands also said the bizarre nature of the performance reminded him of a race at Kelso in February 1991 when Brian Storey rode Flowing River. Storey and trainer Dick Allan received six-month bans from the racing authorities for that incident.
"The stewards have referred the jockey and trainer to the BHA under Rule 59.2(d), namely that the horse was 'intentionally restrained and not let down', however a disciplinary panel hearing is effectively an entirely new inquiry and the charges they end up facing may be different," confirmed BHA spokesman Paul Struthers.
Under the current BHA guidelines, a rider found guilty of a breach of Rule 59.2(d) can be banned for between 28 and 90 days with the trainer fined up to £30,000, however were they to be found guilty of "deliberately preventing a horse from winning", the disciplinary hearing could result in both trainer and jockey banned for up to five years.
Although Behan does not have a British licence, any punishment handed out by the BHA would be reciprocated by the Turf Club in Ireland. Also declared to run at Musselburgh on Friday, Casela Park races in the colours of Ronan Buckley, an Irishman whom has been reported as "a business partner" of jockey Kieren Fallon. Fallon was declared to ride the horse until it was pulled out of a race last week.
Jockey Jason Behan may have had a low profile in Britain, but that seems sure to change after his ride aboard Casela Park, described by one racing expert as "one of the most extraordinary I have ever seen", was referred to the British Horseracing Authority by stewards at Newcastle today.
Behan, who rode out his claim in the 1990s but has had only a handful of rides since his last winner back in 2005, finished sixth of the 12 runners in the seven furlong handicap aboard the Eamon Tyrell-trained Casela Park.
Making just his second start for the stable, Casela Park was supported in from 10-1 to 8-1 on-course and having been held up in the rear, was staying on well from halfway when he started to swerve violently from left to right. Despite his actions, Casela Park continued to make up ground and eventually finished just over two lengths behind the winner.
Simon Rowlands, an independent racing analyst and former editor and handicapper at Timeform for 19 years, commented: "It was one of the most extraordinary rides that I have ever seen." Rowlands also said the bizarre nature of the performance reminded him of a race at Kelso in February 1991 when Brian Storey rode Flowing River. Storey and trainer Dick Allan received six-month bans from the racing authorities for that incident.
"The stewards have referred the jockey and trainer to the BHA under Rule 59.2(d), namely that the horse was 'intentionally restrained and not let down', however a disciplinary panel hearing is effectively an entirely new inquiry and the charges they end up facing may be different," confirmed BHA spokesman Paul Struthers.
Under the current BHA guidelines, a rider found guilty of a breach of Rule 59.2(d) can be banned for between 28 and 90 days with the trainer fined up to £30,000, however were they to be found guilty of "deliberately preventing a horse from winning", the disciplinary hearing could result in both trainer and jockey banned for up to five years.
Although Behan does not have a British licence, any punishment handed out by the BHA would be reciprocated by the Turf Club in Ireland. Also declared to run at Musselburgh on Friday, Casela Park races in the colours of Ronan Buckley, an Irishman whom has been reported as "a business partner" of jockey Kieren Fallon. Fallon was declared to ride the horse until it was pulled out of a race last week.
trainer's messed up by saying hes happy with the ride, shd take the prodmorou approach and blame the jock [;)]
guardian saying 5 year bans could be in order here
guardian saying 5 year bans could be in order here
Regarding Ben10s comments. The horse was a ride difficult to lose on today. I backed it and it was cantering way off the pace but with a clear run on the outside when the field starts to come to it, Behan responds by urging the horse for the first time but urging it behind a wall of horses, then gaps start to appear and the horse is hell bent on going through them so the Jock is obliged to get all WWF on the horse. This will make the mainstream news and seeing the Tyrell and his jockey are expendable small fry they will be hung drawn and quartered to make the game look straight. This stuff is as common as debt in Ireland and is glossed over all the time.
I emailed Matt on ATR to get him to review the ride. I backed it as its Irish form was strong thought 10/1 was big price. And there was a couple of grand looking to lay it before off. Thought that suspicious. Trainer should get the 5 year ban.
They would be silly to run tomorrow if they hope to get money on. It will be odds on surely? I suppose they might still run in case they get warned off at the inquiry. I hope they get warned off for life.
Be surprised if it runs Fri, as the ride will be scrutinised and how it goes could affect the outcome of the hearing. Was a shocking effort, goes on in Ireland all the time with never a word, which makes Irish racing generally a joke.
Rofflcopters at Bumbling Bob on Racing News - yeah, I agree Bob, the horse is just an awkward ride, ain't he?
Head-in-hands man, please...
Head-in-hands man, please...
Am I right in gathering that
(a) The horse had a known measure of form and ability
(b) The horse's price contracted -indicating that he had been well supported and presumably also by connections who would have known most about their chances. 10/1 to 15/2 are pretty juicy odds.
(c)Why , therefore , would a plot have been hatched to try to prevent the horse from winning in such an obvious and clumsy way ?
(d) Why , also , would connections choose to carry out such a manoeuvre in Britain where there was likely to be more robust scrutiny of riding practice rather than in Ireland -where according to the consensus , scrutiny is either lighter or non-existent?
(a) The horse had a known measure of form and ability
(b) The horse's price contracted -indicating that he had been well supported and presumably also by connections who would have known most about their chances. 10/1 to 15/2 are pretty juicy odds.
(c)Why , therefore , would a plot have been hatched to try to prevent the horse from winning in such an obvious and clumsy way ?
(d) Why , also , would connections choose to carry out such a manoeuvre in Britain where there was likely to be more robust scrutiny of riding practice rather than in Ireland -where according to the consensus , scrutiny is either lighter or non-existent?
they must be extremely greedy not prepared to happy with the tens they had got!
And how much dosh do you think would have shifted those odds ?
Vubiant, I think someone said he was available on the exchanges at 12.0 for a few thousand right before the off. So maybe the general public backed the horse because they thought he had a decent chance, then someone connected tried to lay the hell out of it just before the off.
This is just a theory, I've no idea what really happened. You don't get the whole story from just looking at the SP though.
This is just a theory, I've no idea what really happened. You don't get the whole story from just looking at the SP though.
Always in irish connection when races are fixed
They do themselves no favours do they
They do themselves no favours do they
I would love either Rock Piper or Penny Stall 64 to point out ONE incident from Ireland that compares even vaguely with yesterday's shenanigans.
I'm not holding my breath...
I'm not holding my breath...
Surprised there was nt more made of this one imo
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5 48 Allanit (GER) 12/1 6 10-0 B J Curley 75 * *
b g Tiger Hill (IRE) - Astilbe (GER) (Monsun) Micky Fenton
Taken down early, awkward leaving stalls and slowly into stride, raced freely and led after 1f, soon well clear, stopped rapidly and headed well over 3f out, soon came to stands' rail and lost touch, tailed off final 3f (op 5-1)
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5 48 Allanit (GER) 12/1 6 10-0 B J Curley 75 * *
b g Tiger Hill (IRE) - Astilbe (GER) (Monsun) Micky Fenton
Taken down early, awkward leaving stalls and slowly into stride, raced freely and led after 1f, soon well clear, stopped rapidly and headed well over 3f out, soon came to stands' rail and lost touch, tailed off final 3f (op 5-1)
The only race i can think off is the race involving the two charles Byrnes horses in a bumper down in Cork. Alpha Royale and Laetitia. That race was worse
how can Casela park be allowed to run tomorrow
its a farce
its a farce
Yes its top 3 worst ever with that 1 big willy & the 1 @ Taunton 6or 7 yrs back. Wild Power or something similar
If you want to stop non-triers ban betting...have para-mutual and then yeeeeeehaaaaaaaaa will have quieter days in the booth.
Anaglogs Daughter 05 Aug 10 14:02
Why not? Not the horses fault....was it?
agree, horse was ok.
Ride was difficult because the horse wanted to win
well I fell sorry for backers, but was pretty funny to watch the battle horse-jockey
Why not? Not the horses fault....was it?
agree, horse was ok.
Ride was difficult because the horse wanted to win
well I fell sorry for backers, but was pretty funny to watch the battle horse-jockey
http://www.irishracing.com/ - the jockey doesn't look to shrewd.
it was only 10/1 opening show because word got out,if that horse was trying you would have been lucky to get 7/2 on the morning,as it would have been nibbled at on here the night before.and we all know that the odds compilers make the market off here.
hope they put some lights in the field it will be running around tonight
if this hacks up tomorrow they will be in even bigger trouble
triky ride my h0le
triky ride my h0le
Anyone else think this could be an incredibly cunning "reverse coup".
Get the public petrified of not backing it, due to fears it may hack up, smash it's price in and because you know it has no chance, voila, you have created an under 100% book to back the rest.
Nothing in the BHA rules to say you can't back the field other than one.......
Get the public petrified of not backing it, due to fears it may hack up, smash it's price in and because you know it has no chance, voila, you have created an under 100% book to back the rest.
Nothing in the BHA rules to say you can't back the field other than one.......
da fallon, have u an email address, since u started this i think u desreve to know more.
slowly into stride and restrained well in rear , travelling well 4f out and switched left away from thin air , still travelling well (too well infact) and jock begins to worry so tugged right or switched shall we say again away from thin air with horse fighting for head wanting to go past , over furlong out and assumed no chance jock asks for effort and response immediate flying towards finish ,jock realises oops i might still win so 1 final pull to prevent this and hands and heels to make sure final 50 yards , its so blatently obvious its laughable
basically they entered a good animal in a dross race and it had so much in hand it made the job jock look a complete tool
and the guy who who said that the horse doesnt go past its dundalk race after a break recently it looked like it would go through a brick wall
basically they entered a good animal in a dross race and it had so much in hand it made the job jock look a complete tool
and the guy who who said that the horse doesnt go past its dundalk race after a break recently it looked like it would go through a brick wall
flowing river 1991, jockey storey and trainer allen both banned for 6 months, i wrote to the racing post about the blatent pulling of this horse and brough scott replied saying they could not publish it, it was the worst case i had ever seen of a horse being stopped from winning , he strangled the fkg thing and they should have been banned for life
know all,i started this thread 10 mins before the race
as i heard sumtn like this mite be about to happen,very dodgy connections!!!
as i heard sumtn like this mite be about to happen,very dodgy connections!!!
Timeform Perspective comment on Casela Park’s run:
..."drew unfavourable attention like few other horses have for many a year"..."his running needed to be seen to be believed, no explaining the ride other than in improper terms"..."clearly unable to give all he could ... with the jockey never taking his hands off the reins to go for the whip".
..."drew unfavourable attention like few other horses have for many a year"..."his running needed to be seen to be believed, no explaining the ride other than in improper terms"..."clearly unable to give all he could ... with the jockey never taking his hands off the reins to go for the whip".
Astonishing decision by the racing post to allow the jockey a front page defence.
what else did you expect, did you not think that the ranks would not be closed when the guy was just unfortunate to be on a horse that was so superior to the others in the race, it goes on all the time he was just unlucky that it was so blatent he has no defence or reasonable excuse cause anyone with a love and knowledge for the sport knows exactly what happened and yes i lost my money but im happy that it was there for all to see
I agree noodles its like I stated yesterday for their analysis to suggest that it was the horse that was swerving back and forth across the track is a disgrace.
Providing an alibi to connections when in fact they should be outlawing them and making them an example.
If anything its encouragement for others to cheat safe in the knowledge that the trade ( and racings media who always seem to welcome back the banned cheats) will support them
Providing an alibi to connections when in fact they should be outlawing them and making them an example.
If anything its encouragement for others to cheat safe in the knowledge that the trade ( and racings media who always seem to welcome back the banned cheats) will support them
horse knew the camera was on him
http://grossick.thirdlight.com/viewpicturepreview.tlx?z=1&albumid=159855&pictureid=13211193
http://grossick.thirdlight.com/viewpicturepreview.tlx?z=1&albumid=159855&pictureid=13211193
be fasinating to see which way he goes in the market
if he moves significantly either way there will be a landslide of money imo i am going to lay if the money comes and bet if it drifts
can the BHA not convene a meeting within 48 hours of something like this and get a decision either way
even, have a look, and say
we deem this worthy of further investigation and are banning this horse form racing under BHA rules in the meantime
Timeform are an independent authority of note and their description is damning
If that horse wins tonight, there may be red faces at the BHA
even, have a look, and say
we deem this worthy of further investigation and are banning this horse form racing under BHA rules in the meantime
Timeform are an independent authority of note and their description is damning
If that horse wins tonight, there may be red faces at the BHA
im with da fallon on this one,and maybe everyone should follow suit,
though i remember a Martin Keighley trained horse a year or two back,he was done under the "non-triers" was giving a few months ban along with horse and jockey,the day the horses and keighley's ban were up the horse duly romped home having been backed off the boards
though i remember a Martin Keighley trained horse a year or two back,he was done under the "non-triers" was giving a few months ban along with horse and jockey,the day the horses and keighley's ban were up the horse duly romped home having been backed off the boards
.......whose a more refined jockey..........jj behan....or these two guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1djqFvi8bM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1djqFvi8bM
jj behan looks a wrong un from his picture in the paper. Guilty as charged.
Agree with par, also.
Agree with par, also.
I can say with some degree of certainty, this will not be winning tonight [;)]
thats the one 11kv,couldnt think of the horses name,cheers
Always quite liked Eamon Tyrell although can't say the same about Behan [absolute scumbag].
is there anyway of reading the interview with behan in the rp online?
Whatever happens it'll be fascinating. Only those that know, know what's going to happen next.
Will probably win under a change of jockey, giving the connections the chance to blame the jockey in the previous run. After defending his performance after the race
will hill just said trainer said there gonna try and make the running i thought they said they was gonna ride it same way
same as last time, jockey will ride exactly similar to the other day imo, massive lay wont win
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