New Posts For Thread: How to jolly backers survive in uk racing , its beyond mehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-meThe spectacle today is a common occurence compared to uk racing 20 yrs ago , palmer stopping his hot pot with the pikey orr gping up and down on spot like hugo drugged it , evans yoke reved upto pull like giraffe at prohibitive odds , bells yoke stoBarbury Boy. Well backed today so took 6.6 a couple of minutes prior to the off. Laid off at 4. The horse looked home and dry and went odds on but got beaten. Cost me nothing.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565533367#565533367Barbury Boy. Well backed today so took 6.6 a couple of minutes prior to the off. Laid off at 4. The horse looked home and dry and went odds on but got beaten. Cost me nothing.Thu, 13 Aug 2026 11:31:11 -0500Yes you give away half of winning bets quite often but you also get back your stake on a lot of losers. Since I adopted this policy I am only losing 0.5% which means that without the Betfair commission I am making a small profit. I do this for fun thhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565533267#565533267Yes you give away half of winning bets quite often but you also get back your stake on a lot of losers. Since I adopted this policy I am only losing 0.5% which means that without the Betfair commission I am making a small profit. I do this for fun thThu, 13 Aug 2026 10:53:27 -0500but you get it matched when you dont want to, ie the choc ice is wrong. keep bets are giving it away. you simply have no idea what the true price is likely to beif i/r hadnt been messed up so much at the outset and given some the chance to get in frohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565533233#565533233but you get it matched when you dont want to, ie the choc ice is wrong. keep bets are giving it away. you simply have no idea what the true price is likely to beif i/r hadnt been messed up so much at the outset and given some the chance to get in froThu, 13 Aug 2026 10:40:43 -0500The other big negative of ISP is that you have to bet before the off. No in running. When in running started I was chatting to Jim Old about it and he previously rode for Fred Rimell. Apparently Fred always said that if he could bet in running he wouhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565533219#565533219The other big negative of ISP is that you have to bet before the off. No in running. When in running started I was chatting to Jim Old about it and he previously rode for Fred Rimell. Apparently Fred always said that if he could bet in running he wouThu, 13 Aug 2026 10:34:08 -0500large % of betfair money is punters own money been reinveted on the x,s for them,at a bigger price than they got obviouslyhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565532945#565532945large % of betfair money is punters own money been reinveted on the x,s for them,at a bigger price than they got obviouslyThu, 13 Aug 2026 08:39:57 -0500Correct stu.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565532779#565532779Correct stu.Thu, 13 Aug 2026 07:50:28 -0500On the issue of punters being losers financially - hasn't it always been that way? I'd guess historically (60s 70s 80s 90s etc) most likely 99.5% or more of punters never made any money and in fact lost their money.It's just different ways of doing thttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565532769#565532769On the issue of punters being losers financially - hasn't it always been that way? I'd guess historically (60s 70s 80s 90s etc) most likely 99.5% or more of punters never made any money and in fact lost their money.It's just different ways of doing tThu, 13 Aug 2026 07:43:59 -0500True howard, there is now a big difference between the traditional 'punter' (bashing the bookies) and the modern one using exchanges for their punting.However, the term 'punter' is very loose in meaning, when you can't see who is matching your money.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565532763#565532763True howard, there is now a big difference between the traditional 'punter' (bashing the bookies) and the modern one using exchanges for their punting.However, the term 'punter' is very loose in meaning, when you can't see who is matching your money.Thu, 13 Aug 2026 07:38:50 -0500Whether you back favourites or not, trhe order of value will be Betfair (either a few minutes before the off or BSP), then on course betting and last by a long way, Industry SP. If you are betting with any hope of profit, avoid industry SP. Taking pahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565532713#565532713Whether you back favourites or not, trhe order of value will be Betfair (either a few minutes before the off or BSP), then on course betting and last by a long way, Industry SP. If you are betting with any hope of profit, avoid industry SP. Taking paThu, 13 Aug 2026 06:59:35 -0500"The odds have become increasingly stacked against the punter." It's punters you are betting against on here. If you lose money you are likely losing most of it to other punters.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31908871/how-to-jolly-backers-survive-in-uk-racing-its-beyond-me?post_id=565532677#565532677"The odds have become increasingly stacked against the punter." It's punters you are betting against on here. If you lose money you are likely losing most of it to other punters.Thu, 13 Aug 2026 06:35:09 -0500