New Posts For Thread: State Man V Const Hill,bring it on.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-onCH will have a race this time,that's for sure.Zanahiyr hasn't shown his form this season but that may be because his trainer has just been fined for illegal substances found in samples after the CH. There is too much of that going on imo. Jim Bolger referred to it last year and he knows more thahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562931021#562931021Zanahiyr hasn't shown his form this season but that may be because his trainer has just been fined for illegal substances found in samples after the CH. There is too much of that going on imo. Jim Bolger referred to it last year and he knows more thaThu, 09 Feb 2023 09:06:29 -0600We've got a discussion going on about whether CH is the greatest hurdler of all time whilst at the same time deliberating whether he will win this year's Champion Hurdle.The point is this, if CH did not exist what we would be saying right now is thathttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562930973#562930973We've got a discussion going on about whether CH is the greatest hurdler of all time whilst at the same time deliberating whether he will win this year's Champion Hurdle.The point is this, if CH did not exist what we would be saying right now is thatThu, 09 Feb 2023 08:27:52 -06002nd biggest I'd say.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562930923#5629309232nd biggest I'd say.Thu, 09 Feb 2023 07:50:02 -0600Another reason I find it difficult to reach any conclusion about CH being the GOAT is following the BHA's announcement about 'the continuation of British jump racing's demise'. That is not the back drop you want to hear and it is significant when Timhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562930769#562930769Another reason I find it difficult to reach any conclusion about CH being the GOAT is following the BHA's announcement about 'the continuation of British jump racing's demise'. That is not the back drop you want to hear and it is significant when TimThu, 09 Feb 2023 06:26:03 -0600I wouldn't be surprised if a truer gauge of his ability is still the County win off 141 by a diminishing length or so from First Street....I wonder what CH does to that one at home.....If you think that your probably the biggest Mug on The Forum.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562929877#562929877I wouldn't be surprised if a truer gauge of his ability is still the County win off 141 by a diminishing length or so from First Street....I wonder what CH does to that one at home.....If you think that your probably the biggest Mug on The Forum.Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:45:57 -0600Best leave me out of the 'ratings and speed figures discussion, but anyone who thinks we need ratings to tell us that CH looks like the best horse around by some way is misguided, if you asked me.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562929817#562929817Best leave me out of the 'ratings and speed figures discussion, but anyone who thinks we need ratings to tell us that CH looks like the best horse around by some way is misguided, if you asked me.Wed, 08 Feb 2023 14:15:41 -0600I personally can't see how State Man came out of the race the other day with as much credit as he has, particularly in relation to beating CH, yes he is slick but he basically stacked them up and booted away from the second last, there was only 8 lenhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562928825#562928825I personally can't see how State Man came out of the race the other day with as much credit as he has, particularly in relation to beating CH, yes he is slick but he basically stacked them up and booted away from the second last, there was only 8 lenWed, 08 Feb 2023 08:48:19 -0600Howard,CH is clearly out of the ordinary (just as Frankel was) and i don't need ratings to tell me this, but like yourself and Timeform, i rate him very highly. Istabraq is the best hurdler this century and prior to that, Night Nurse over 2 decades ehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562928775#562928775Howard,CH is clearly out of the ordinary (just as Frankel was) and i don't need ratings to tell me this, but like yourself and Timeform, i rate him very highly. Istabraq is the best hurdler this century and prior to that, Night Nurse over 2 decades eWed, 08 Feb 2023 08:25:42 -0600His speed off that final bend would of destroyed all of those 70s horsesAgree entirely ....beating Theatreworld is much more impressive then the duals Monksfield , Night Nurse and Sea Pigeon fought at Cheltenham and Aintree .......https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562928453#562928453His speed off that final bend would of destroyed all of those 70s horsesAgree entirely ....beating Theatreworld is much more impressive then the duals Monksfield , Night Nurse and Sea Pigeon fought at Cheltenham and Aintree .......Wed, 08 Feb 2023 06:49:12 -0600Andrew I think Bull said about timefigures they show you how poor a horse isn't not how good it is. But it looks like they already rate CH very highly. Don't agree with all their work ( especially what I believe are potential flaws in sectional timehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31791365/state-man-v-const-hillbring-it-on?post_id=562928433#562928433Andrew I think Bull said about timefigures they show you how poor a horse isn't not how good it is. But it looks like they already rate CH very highly. Don't agree with all their work ( especially what I believe are potential flaws in sectional timeWed, 08 Feb 2023 06:41:06 -0600