New Posts For Thread: Gosden and Dettorihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettoriHas Gosden lost confidence in his ability or his integrity ?Why would Greville have known? he never rode Ajdal - are you not getting confused with Soviet Star? another Sheikh Mohammed miler that dropped back and won July Cup, Greville rode that nag when he was still mileing.A lot of milers dropped back and wohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562326945#562326945Why would Greville have known? he never rode Ajdal - are you not getting confused with Soviet Star? another Sheikh Mohammed miler that dropped back and won July Cup, Greville rode that nag when he was still mileing.A lot of milers dropped back and woWed, 29 Jun 2022 20:52:12 -0500Who? Stoute or Starkey?I do vividly remember the drinker - can't remember his name but he was on the telly a lot at the time ( Alistair Down maybe? ) - praising Stoute for bringing the horse back from the Derby to win the sprint Cup and likening ithttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562326245#562326245Who? Stoute or Starkey?I do vividly remember the drinker - can't remember his name but he was on the telly a lot at the time ( Alistair Down maybe? ) - praising Stoute for bringing the horse back from the Derby to win the sprint Cup and likening itWed, 29 Jun 2022 13:21:49 -0500Stradivarious' owners got a bit in the SL aboutDettori and the Gold Cup ride.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562323377#562323377Stradivarious' owners got a bit in the SL aboutDettori and the Gold Cup ride.Tue, 28 Jun 2022 15:43:24 -0500J Tree said any true classic horse would win the July Cup.I remember M. Stoute saying G Starkey had said all year that Ajdal was a sprinter.What made him think that I have no idea.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562321231#562321231J Tree said any true classic horse would win the July Cup.I remember M. Stoute saying G Starkey had said all year that Ajdal was a sprinter.What made him think that I have no idea.Tue, 28 Jun 2022 08:05:26 -0500I get the impression Gosden has suffered Dettori for a long time because he got the job done on the track. This is not happening enough now actually the opposite is the case. I can think back to Dettori riding Logician to with the Ledger and complainhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562321167#562321167I get the impression Gosden has suffered Dettori for a long time because he got the job done on the track. This is not happening enough now actually the opposite is the case. I can think back to Dettori riding Logician to with the Ledger and complainTue, 28 Jun 2022 07:55:15 -0500CS - I do remember that Don't Forget Me was beaten in The Craven but it was after all, only a trial and I'd suggest neither were 100% ready.I have a recollection that Ajdal carried a 5lb penalty but I might be getting mixed up with Lear Fan when he bhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562319489#562319489CS - I do remember that Don't Forget Me was beaten in The Craven but it was after all, only a trial and I'd suggest neither were 100% ready.I have a recollection that Ajdal carried a 5lb penalty but I might be getting mixed up with Lear Fan when he bMon, 27 Jun 2022 14:16:17 -0500You may be right. My recollection was Mr Harwood was getting fewer and fewer expensive yearlings from the petrol money clan of owners. I think the then competition between the big boys (more of them too) eg Cecil, Stoute, Harwood, Dunlop and Cumani whttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562319445#562319445You may be right. My recollection was Mr Harwood was getting fewer and fewer expensive yearlings from the petrol money clan of owners. I think the then competition between the big boys (more of them too) eg Cecil, Stoute, Harwood, Dunlop and Cumani wMon, 27 Jun 2022 14:04:51 -0500I don't think that is right Impossible on Guy Harwood, Greville Starkey retired in 1989 when Guy Harwood had 109 winners - the drop off occurred immediately after that and for the rest of his training days. It was a steady and constant decline untilhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562319367#562319367I don't think that is right Impossible on Guy Harwood, Greville Starkey retired in 1989 when Guy Harwood had 109 winners - the drop off occurred immediately after that and for the rest of his training days. It was a steady and constant decline untilMon, 27 Jun 2022 13:42:42 -0500Strad was withdrawn on very soft going on the day of a big race (possibly Goodwood 2021), but beat Nayef Road comprehensively in the soft; Order Of St George and Highland Reel were riding shotgun for Found in the race where Postponed ran his race athttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562319317#562319317Strad was withdrawn on very soft going on the day of a big race (possibly Goodwood 2021), but beat Nayef Road comprehensively in the soft; Order Of St George and Highland Reel were riding shotgun for Found in the race where Postponed ran his race atMon, 27 Jun 2022 13:30:51 -0500Luca Cumani admitted during that Racing UK pandemic long interview that he was pressurized to run Barathea in Derby, almost certain the same thing happened in 1987 when his only other runner had a 150/1 SP Water Boatman.Ajdal did for Don't Forget Mehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31763153/gosden-and-dettori?post_id=562319247#562319247Luca Cumani admitted during that Racing UK pandemic long interview that he was pressurized to run Barathea in Derby, almost certain the same thing happened in 1987 when his only other runner had a 150/1 SP Water Boatman.Ajdal did for Don't Forget MeMon, 27 Jun 2022 13:06:33 -0500