New Posts For Thread: Constitution Hill speed figure.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure21 runners in the Fred Winter, so you would have thought that this race was truly run.Constitution Hill was 14 (fourteen) seconds faster.Brazil was carrying 2 lb more. Weight for age is 8 lb for 4yo's. Brazil was rated 137.14 secs = 68 lb over 16.5 fI am in no doubt CH could have gone 3 secs minimum quicker if asked or needed which makes him exceptional at this stage when compared with the Hurdling greats,running him in the flat Gold Cups would not be daft this year?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563031329#563031329I am in no doubt CH could have gone 3 secs minimum quicker if asked or needed which makes him exceptional at this stage when compared with the Hurdling greats,running him in the flat Gold Cups would not be daft this year?Wed, 22 Mar 2023 12:12:15 -0500JPR One was an example of that sort of thing. It was the first really fit Tizzard horse I'd seen all season, though that might have been because it's a proper athletic hurdling type. Everything else in the yard looks like a great big slow boat of a chttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563031289#563031289JPR One was an example of that sort of thing. It was the first really fit Tizzard horse I'd seen all season, though that might have been because it's a proper athletic hurdling type. Everything else in the yard looks like a great big slow boat of a cWed, 22 Mar 2023 11:55:36 -0500Speed figures over years are a complete and utter waste of time and effort for obvious reasons e.g no two going reports can reflect exactly the actual,rail movements,pace of a race etc etc,particularly over jumps.Hard to argue though that CH could hahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563031275#563031275Speed figures over years are a complete and utter waste of time and effort for obvious reasons e.g no two going reports can reflect exactly the actual,rail movements,pace of a race etc etc,particularly over jumps.Hard to argue though that CH could haWed, 22 Mar 2023 11:50:41 -0500Adam Norman not Andy Norman. Apologieshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563031241#563031241Adam Norman not Andy Norman. ApologiesWed, 22 Mar 2023 11:43:33 -0500Andy Norman's interview on Star Sports points out the edge he gets from being on course. In particular, the benefit of seeing a fit horse run badly that gets reported as having needed the run. Of course there's a rare skill in being able to tell.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563031233#563031233Andy Norman's interview on Star Sports points out the edge he gets from being on course. In particular, the benefit of seeing a fit horse run badly that gets reported as having needed the run. Of course there's a rare skill in being able to tell.Wed, 22 Mar 2023 11:39:10 -0500A very fair comment, steerforth. There's really no way of being certain, is there? If nothing else, there's not just one set of speed figures set in stone. A horse's price might be reflecting Topspeed's headline speed figure in the Post, for instancehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563030867#563030867A very fair comment, steerforth. There's really no way of being certain, is there? If nothing else, there's not just one set of speed figures set in stone. A horse's price might be reflecting Topspeed's headline speed figure in the Post, for instanceWed, 22 Mar 2023 09:50:28 -0500Screaming - re your comments about speed figures becoming common knowledge to the extent that they are not as useful as they were 20 years ago. Are you saying that speed figures are now an essential component of markets every day in every race? My pehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563030637#563030637Screaming - re your comments about speed figures becoming common knowledge to the extent that they are not as useful as they were 20 years ago. Are you saying that speed figures are now an essential component of markets every day in every race? My peWed, 22 Mar 2023 08:12:47 -0500Good Morning, Geoff. It is good that we all have opinions to discuss. As far as times go they are used when they are there but ignored when they are not. Secretariat ran amazing times but when Flightline came along they were ignored. When Timeform wehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563030229#563030229Good Morning, Geoff. It is good that we all have opinions to discuss. As far as times go they are used when they are there but ignored when they are not. Secretariat ran amazing times but when Flightline came along they were ignored. When Timeform weWed, 22 Mar 2023 04:48:48 -0500still think the same Gordon??https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563028923#563028923still think the same Gordon??Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:19:35 -0500JPR One, fifth beaten 57 lengths by Constitution Hill in that 2022 Supreme Novices' Hurdle, had its first run since in a handicap at Taunton yesterday. And it duly sluiced up off a mark of 127.Constitution Hill's win last year was the best performanchttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31749689/constitution-hill-speed-figure?post_id=563028211#563028211JPR One, fifth beaten 57 lengths by Constitution Hill in that 2022 Supreme Novices' Hurdle, had its first run since in a handicap at Taunton yesterday. And it duly sluiced up off a mark of 127.Constitution Hill's win last year was the best performancTue, 21 Mar 2023 05:20:50 -0500