New Posts For Thread: State of jumps handicapshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicapsIn my opinion they are turning into a complete joke. More and more of them seem to finish spread out by half the course. I know it has happened since time immemorial with trainers fiddling the handicap but in my eyes having followed racing for many y..those were 'average' distances, for the finishing position, over the calendar year.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558645753#558645753..those were 'average' distances, for the finishing position, over the calendar year.Sat, 11 Jan 2020 06:26:19 -0600I ran some queries to compare the distances that horses finishing 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th were beaten by in NH handicaps, for 1998, 1999, and 2019.here are the figures...19985th - 28 lengths6th - 337th - 398th - 4319995th - 296th - 357th - 398th - 4320https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558645749#558645749I ran some queries to compare the distances that horses finishing 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th were beaten by in NH handicaps, for 1998, 1999, and 2019.here are the figures...19985th - 28 lengths6th - 337th - 398th - 4319995th - 296th - 357th - 398th - 4320Sat, 11 Jan 2020 06:25:12 -0600It is NOT all "fiddling" - and the same has been the case for years - as you acknowledge.Over the Jumps - Winter racing often on rain-affected bad ground .Horse makes a mistake - Jockey tries to get it back into the race, but proves difficult on badhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558645589#558645589It is NOT all "fiddling" - and the same has been the case for years - as you acknowledge.Over the Jumps - Winter racing often on rain-affected bad ground .Horse makes a mistake - Jockey tries to get it back into the race, but proves difficult on badSat, 11 Jan 2020 05:53:20 -0600A couple of other possible reasons for the wide margins. First is that the jockeys can now be banned for using the whip on a beaten horse, or for continuing in the race on a tired horse. Second is that most ordinary handicap chases now offer prize mohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558645559#558645559A couple of other possible reasons for the wide margins. First is that the jockeys can now be banned for using the whip on a beaten horse, or for continuing in the race on a tired horse. Second is that most ordinary handicap chases now offer prize moSat, 11 Jan 2020 05:46:41 -0600It's never been any different.Punters should try to understand why horse racing form is all over the place, with most horses never seeming to run two races alike.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558645343#558645343It's never been any different.Punters should try to understand why horse racing form is all over the place, with most horses never seeming to run two races alike.Sat, 11 Jan 2020 05:04:51 -0600I kinda like bad handicaps. Poorer horses need everything to fall right for them to win. A lot of them are regressing or just dodgepots. Give me a dodgy five runner five runner handicap on a Monday at Plumpton on a Monday or a Class 6 mile on the Souhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558645261#558645261I kinda like bad handicaps. Poorer horses need everything to fall right for them to win. A lot of them are regressing or just dodgepots. Give me a dodgy five runner five runner handicap on a Monday at Plumpton on a Monday or a Class 6 mile on the SouSat, 11 Jan 2020 04:46:06 -0600Restrict your bets to Class 1 or 2 Handicap races, at Group 1 Tracks only.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558644853#558644853Restrict your bets to Class 1 or 2 Handicap races, at Group 1 Tracks only.Sat, 11 Jan 2020 01:37:39 -0600no know it all here mate i think flat suffers same fate to an extent due to vastly increased meetings , more lower class hard to spot skulduggery for example one today drifted from 5s or something out to 50s , obviousely word spread nag had no chancehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558644587#558644587no know it all here mate i think flat suffers same fate to an extent due to vastly increased meetings , more lower class hard to spot skulduggery for example one today drifted from 5s or something out to 50s , obviousely word spread nag had no chanceFri, 10 Jan 2020 19:13:37 -0600In my opinion they are turning into a complete joke. More and more of them seem to finish spread out by half the course. I know it has happened since time immemorial with trainers fiddling the handicap but in my eyes having followed racing for many yhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31609127/state-of-jumps-handicaps?post_id=558643601#558643601In my opinion they are turning into a complete joke. More and more of them seem to finish spread out by half the course. I know it has happened since time immemorial with trainers fiddling the handicap but in my eyes having followed racing for many yFri, 10 Jan 2020 15:48:22 -0600