New Posts For Thread: jim joel,s colourshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-coloursin my early betting days ,jumping hill,hunt cup,lester piggot,was this a jim joel owned horseVincent and Lester were both in the genius category when it came to horses . Think they both knew that , Vincent was prepared to put up with some of Lester attitude because he knew that Lester was the best in the world . Stable staff were under instrhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558639909#558639909Vincent and Lester were both in the genius category when it came to horses . Think they both knew that , Vincent was prepared to put up with some of Lester attitude because he knew that Lester was the best in the world . Stable staff were under instrFri, 10 Jan 2020 05:09:55 -0600From an RP Article of 2019........Piggott's first ride for O'Brien was a winner – the great mare Gladness in the 1958 Gold Cup. According to O'Brien's official biography, written by his wife Jacqueline, Piggott complained about the lengthy instructhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558639683#558639683From an RP Article of 2019........Piggott's first ride for O'Brien was a winner – the great mare Gladness in the 1958 Gold Cup. According to O'Brien's official biography, written by his wife Jacqueline, Piggott complained about the lengthy instructFri, 10 Jan 2020 03:48:32 -0600Posy. That is my recollection too. I think Lester was on a retainer with Murless who expected him to ride Varinia in the Oaks but as you say he chose to ride Valoris. I think O'Brien already had plans for Lester and was reportedly very impressed wihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558639667#558639667Posy. That is my recollection too. I think Lester was on a retainer with Murless who expected him to ride Varinia in the Oaks but as you say he chose to ride Valoris. I think O'Brien already had plans for Lester and was reportedly very impressed wiFri, 10 Jan 2020 03:44:56 -0600Rothman my recollection is that Lester lost his job with Murless through refusing to ride a Murless horse in the Oaks preferring Vincent O'Bs Valoris which duly won.Thereafter Lester went freelance and had the pick of V o'B's classic runners like Sirhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558639509#558639509Rothman my recollection is that Lester lost his job with Murless through refusing to ride a Murless horse in the Oaks preferring Vincent O'Bs Valoris which duly won.Thereafter Lester went freelance and had the pick of V o'B's classic runners like SirFri, 10 Jan 2020 03:02:29 -0600wd cork'https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558639477#558639477wd cork'Fri, 10 Jan 2020 02:53:02 -0600Body of black and white stripes, plain white sleeves with a scarlet cap, not used very often though would be my guesshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558638761#558638761Body of black and white stripes, plain white sleeves with a scarlet cap, not used very often though would be my guessThu, 09 Jan 2020 17:46:36 -0600Plus, it would be too close to the Lord Derby colours, lacking just the white button. So it's probably wrong.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558638727#558638727Plus, it would be too close to the Lord Derby colours, lacking just the white button. So it's probably wrong.Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:36:00 -0600I seem to remember seeing a Joel runner wearing a white cap as second colours, but that seems too obvious.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558638717#558638717I seem to remember seeing a Joel runner wearing a white cap as second colours, but that seems too obvious.Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:33:16 -0600Yes, but there were conspiracy theories put forward that Piggot's was seething after losing the job with Murless, and thesubsequent amazing success of Moore.Many classic winners and big race successes put Piggot's nose out of joint , and I well rememhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558638209#558638209Yes, but there were conspiracy theories put forward that Piggot's was seething after losing the job with Murless, and thesubsequent amazing success of Moore.Many classic winners and big race successes put Piggot's nose out of joint , and I well rememThu, 09 Jan 2020 16:12:22 -0600I'm almost certain that George Moore left the country after being threatened by a (doping) gang .https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/31608899/jim-joels-colours?post_id=558638107#558638107I'm almost certain that George Moore left the country after being threatened by a (doping) gang .Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:56:04 -0600