New Posts For Thread: Casino wins Phil Ivey "cheat" case to withhold winningshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winningsBBChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41751208Supreme Court Summaryhttps://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0213-press-summary.pdfSupreme Court judgmenthttps://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0213-judgment.pdfWFM but not good news for puntActually the judges specifically referenced blackjack and card counting and said it was perfectly acceptable even to use deception to hide that the card counting. It was ok because the edge was gained by simply observing the cards. Ivey crossed thehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553024051#553024051Actually the judges specifically referenced blackjack and card counting and said it was perfectly acceptable even to use deception to hide that the card counting. It was ok because the edge was gained by simply observing the cards. Ivey crossed theSat, 28 Oct 2017 06:39:51 -0500depends if its one deal that you've seen it or if you are seeing it most/all of the timewould be a tidy edge to havehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553016989#553016989depends if its one deal that you've seen it or if you are seeing it most/all of the timewould be a tidy edge to haveThu, 26 Oct 2017 12:23:21 -0500Interesting... if you are playing in a casino and you have a poor croupier and when she/he deals you notice their face down card. You end up winning. At the end of the night, should the casino be able to not pay out?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553016871#553016871Interesting... if you are playing in a casino and you have a poor croupier and when she/he deals you notice their face down card. You end up winning. At the end of the night, should the casino be able to not pay out?Thu, 26 Oct 2017 12:08:18 -0500ok dave cheershttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553016685#553016685ok dave cheersThu, 26 Oct 2017 11:47:26 -0500ok dave cheershttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553016683#553016683ok dave cheersThu, 26 Oct 2017 11:47:15 -0500not familiar with the details of this case but massive stake variation is usually a red flag, certainly should behttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553016649#553016649not familiar with the details of this case but massive stake variation is usually a red flag, certainly should beThu, 26 Oct 2017 11:44:53 -0500I originally wanted Ivey to receive the cash but on reading it all he was definitely at it - he was undoubtedly involved in artificial manipulation to gain an advantage & whatever we might thinks of casinos & bookmakers he was involved in cheating...https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553015555#553015555I originally wanted Ivey to receive the cash but on reading it all he was definitely at it - he was undoubtedly involved in artificial manipulation to gain an advantage & whatever we might thinks of casinos & bookmakers he was involved in cheating...Thu, 26 Oct 2017 08:14:34 -0500First of all, Ivey was clearly at it and deserved to lose. That out of the way, let's move on.The problem with this judgment is that it vindicates the casino (or bookmaker, for this forum) behaviour of taking punters' money and only after the resulthttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553015513#553015513First of all, Ivey was clearly at it and deserved to lose. That out of the way, let's move on.The problem with this judgment is that it vindicates the casino (or bookmaker, for this forum) behaviour of taking punters' money and only after the resultThu, 26 Oct 2017 07:59:26 -0500hoped he would win - & I think he should have been paid out - but knew he never would beremember reading somewhere he had made $80 million from playing cards - unrealhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553015487#553015487hoped he would win - & I think he should have been paid out - but knew he never would beremember reading somewhere he had made $80 million from playing cards - unrealThu, 26 Oct 2017 07:46:58 -0500You can bet on the player or the bank in punto so no need to vary the bets once the deck is sorted much as most times one side will have the advantage. Playing low at the beginning while the deck was sorted and increasing the bets when winning is juhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30956171/casino-wins-phil-ivey-cheat-case-to-withhold-winnings?post_id=553015371#553015371You can bet on the player or the bank in punto so no need to vary the bets once the deck is sorted much as most times one side will have the advantage. Playing low at the beginning while the deck was sorted and increasing the bets when winning is juThu, 26 Oct 2017 06:59:32 -0500