New Posts For Thread: NON RUNNERS DO NOT CHANGE THE PLACE TERMS?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-termsNewmarket 14.00 and Brighton 14.50, both 8 runner races reduced to 7.Newmarket race is showing 2 to be placed despite there were originally 8 runners before the withdrawal of 6. Rococoa, the Brighton race is still correctly showing as 3 to be placed.Presumably they are 'pre-loading' markets, with doubtful runners, leading to them loading markets with actual non-runners already in them, at which time the place rules are established (2, in the case of the Newmarket race, 3 in the case of the Brighhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918237#544918237Presumably they are 'pre-loading' markets, with doubtful runners, leading to them loading markets with actual non-runners already in them, at which time the place rules are established (2, in the case of the Newmarket race, 3 in the case of the BrighFri, 29 May 2015 06:05:09 -0500because that market was loaded without it in the HQ was loaded with it in - but as nowt traded was amended and no RF applied even tho shown^ probably simpleshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918227#544918227because that market was loaded without it in the HQ was loaded with it in - but as nowt traded was amended and no RF applied even tho shown^ probably simplesFri, 29 May 2015 06:03:51 -0500Not relevant to the place terms but take a look at the 20.20 Haydock race, they have not included the non runner 12. Nordic Beat in their market as I guess it was a very early non runner so correctly their is no non runner information/reduction factohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918181#544918181Not relevant to the place terms but take a look at the 20.20 Haydock race, they have not included the non runner 12. Nordic Beat in their market as I guess it was a very early non runner so correctly their is no non runner information/reduction factoFri, 29 May 2015 06:00:14 -0500ged - they do get silly in the early stages - theres even minus ones in there Reduction Factor (1.59%) n/ahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918127#544918127ged - they do get silly in the early stages - theres even minus ones in there Reduction Factor (1.59%) n/aFri, 29 May 2015 05:56:06 -0500^^https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918097#544918097^^Fri, 29 May 2015 05:54:32 -0500not if nowt has been traded...https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918093#544918093not if nowt has been traded...Fri, 29 May 2015 05:54:16 -0500I don't think it would be based on the bots. At the beginning, all you'd have is the 1.01 and 1.02 on the back side, then gradually they get a little more sensible.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918091#544918091I don't think it would be based on the bots. At the beginning, all you'd have is the 1.01 and 1.02 on the back side, then gradually they get a little more sensible.Fri, 29 May 2015 05:54:14 -0500If you look at the Brighton 14.50 and Newmarket 14.00 on the old site they have identical number of runners and the same non runner scenario (i.e. one non runner displayed with a reduction factor) in their rules yet have different place terms. It hashttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918045#544918045If you look at the Brighton 14.50 and Newmarket 14.00 on the old site they have identical number of runners and the same non runner scenario (i.e. one non runner displayed with a reduction factor) in their rules yet have different place terms. It hasFri, 29 May 2015 05:49:54 -0500The reduction factor seems to be based - [pre any trade] - on the seeding the bots have put up and are just sitting there - as that race at Haydock highlights - all the horses have a reduction factor despite no bets struck - hence the NR has come ohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544918023#544918023The reduction factor seems to be based - [pre any trade] - on the seeding the bots have put up and are just sitting there - as that race at Haydock highlights - all the horses have a reduction factor despite no bets struck - hence the NR has come oFri, 29 May 2015 05:47:22 -0500I don't think they're hit with anything. I think the market is loaded clean, and the reduction is purely theoretical, based on an expected SP.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30510757/non-runners-do-not-change-the-place-terms?post_id=544917991#544917991I don't think they're hit with anything. I think the market is loaded clean, and the reduction is purely theoretical, based on an expected SP.Fri, 29 May 2015 05:44:36 -0500