New Posts For Thread: why hasnt david pipe been as successful as martinhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martingiven that martin is still "hanging around'OP begs the question: has David been less successful than Martin, and by what criteria?Here are the numbers of Graded races won per year. winners year trainer 8 96 Martin 3 97 Martin 8 98 Martin 11 99 Martin 7 00 Martin 10 01 Martin 1https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544267233#544267233OP begs the question: has David been less successful than Martin, and by what criteria?Here are the numbers of Graded races won per year. winners year trainer 8 96 Martin 3 97 Martin 8 98 Martin 11 99 Martin 7 00 Martin 10 01 Martin 1Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:24:18 -0500The significance of David Johnson's involvement in both of their careers will have had a bearing, adding to that the fact that Pipe Jr took over at a time when trainers like Paul Nicholls was fully established.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544267217#544267217The significance of David Johnson's involvement in both of their careers will have had a bearing, adding to that the fact that Pipe Jr took over at a time when trainers like Paul Nicholls was fully established.Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:21:50 -0500Martin was a cross between Howard Johnson & Philip Fenton but he could sure pick the right races for his horses.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544267023#544267023Martin was a cross between Howard Johnson & Philip Fenton but he could sure pick the right races for his horses.Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:07:09 -0500Shooting Light, on his first run for MC Pipe, winning the 13 runner Host Partnership Chase on October 31 2001 was visually the easiest winner of such a contest that you could ever possibly see - the RP race reader comments say ' soon clear impressivehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544266809#544266809Shooting Light, on his first run for MC Pipe, winning the 13 runner Host Partnership Chase on October 31 2001 was visually the easiest winner of such a contest that you could ever possibly see - the RP race reader comments say ' soon clear impressiveFri, 10 Apr 2015 11:54:13 -0500Perhaps David isn't as ambitious as his father.What's the point?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544266767#544266767Perhaps David isn't as ambitious as his father.What's the point?Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:52:07 -0500less juice imohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544266653#544266653less juice imoFri, 10 Apr 2015 11:43:55 -0500David doesn't want Roger Cook coming round for tea imo, would eat him out of house and home!https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544266633#544266633David doesn't want Roger Cook coming round for tea imo, would eat him out of house and home!Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:42:14 -0500the trouble is his jockey old skidmore is a useless article all the socalled top jocks drop to the rear and thinks its clever to play a waiting game and try to look as if it was a good ride, they canter to the last and then go arse over tit instead ohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544266609#544266609the trouble is his jockey old skidmore is a useless article all the socalled top jocks drop to the rear and thinks its clever to play a waiting game and try to look as if it was a good ride, they canter to the last and then go arse over tit instead oFri, 10 Apr 2015 11:41:17 -0500True posy - BUT ...NO other trainer has been able to get horseS to regularly 'run through brick walls' - through the PAIN BARRIER - and ALL level of OFTEN AWFUL beasts, aswell.Similarly to an example that has been posted above - I spent hours tryinghttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544265675#544265675True posy - BUT ...NO other trainer has been able to get horseS to regularly 'run through brick walls' - through the PAIN BARRIER - and ALL level of OFTEN AWFUL beasts, aswell.Similarly to an example that has been posted above - I spent hours tryingFri, 10 Apr 2015 10:41:39 -0500They usted to lead all the way get caught & go away again........I was more into pro cycling those days...........https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30475247/why-hasnt-david-pipe-been-as-successful-as-martin?post_id=544265023#544265023They usted to lead all the way get caught & go away again........I was more into pro cycling those days...........Fri, 10 Apr 2015 10:04:17 -0500