New Posts For Thread: The Betting Lab- Is trainer form real?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-realJames Willoughby and Richard Hoiles had differing opinions on whether trainer form is real or is just random on betting lab tonight? My own opinion is that if a trainers horses are not quite themselves for whatever reason e.g. virus, bad weather meanIf form truly worked out, their would be no Bookie Chappies or BetFair."There are lies, damn lies, statistics and then there is form". From The Sayings of Dr Slicer, available at all not very good bookshops, nowhere in the country.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346605#542346605If form truly worked out, their would be no Bookie Chappies or BetFair."There are lies, damn lies, statistics and then there is form". From The Sayings of Dr Slicer, available at all not very good bookshops, nowhere in the country.Thu, 20 Nov 2014 07:34:56 -0600The only meaningful measure is surely something along the lines of what the RP does with its RTF figure - horses running within x lbs of their Rating (however you want to measure that), within the last y days - and play around with x and y as suits yhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346567#542346567The only meaningful measure is surely something along the lines of what the RP does with its RTF figure - horses running within x lbs of their Rating (however you want to measure that), within the last y days - and play around with x and y as suits yThu, 20 Nov 2014 07:30:36 -0600i think this thread will end up being a headf*ck as everyone seems to have a slightly different idea/definition of what trainer form actually is...so for that reason, i'm outhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346449#542346449i think this thread will end up being a headf*ck as everyone seems to have a slightly different idea/definition of what trainer form actually is...so for that reason, i'm outThu, 20 Nov 2014 07:16:36 -0600thanks ged, earlier than last week .... missed ithttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346273#542346273thanks ged, earlier than last week .... missed itThu, 20 Nov 2014 06:52:05 -0600grendel - duncan started a 'betting lab now' thread in caps last night - so the time of that will tell you when it was on.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346213#542346213grendel - duncan started a 'betting lab now' thread in caps last night - so the time of that will tell you when it was on.Thu, 20 Nov 2014 06:46:44 -0600Perhaps he's deliberately running horses that he's think of getting shot of, and giving a last chance to show they're worth keeping. The thing that ran 2nd to the Balding odds-on shot certainly didn't run like a horse from an out-of-form stable. It bhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346187#542346187Perhaps he's deliberately running horses that he's think of getting shot of, and giving a last chance to show they're worth keeping. The thing that ran 2nd to the Balding odds-on shot certainly didn't run like a horse from an out-of-form stable. It bThu, 20 Nov 2014 06:42:22 -0600If he believed as i thought he was saying, that the runners in this spell were a separate subset, i'm not sure why he was arguing with Hoiles who has suggested a cautious approach the last couple of weeks.I don't think Hoiles was trying to say the yahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346163#542346163If he believed as i thought he was saying, that the runners in this spell were a separate subset, i'm not sure why he was arguing with Hoiles who has suggested a cautious approach the last couple of weeks.I don't think Hoiles was trying to say the yaThu, 20 Nov 2014 06:39:48 -0600by the way, when was the Betting Lab .... I recorded last nights Kempton card and didn't see it anywhere, last week it was during the last two raceshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346133#542346133by the way, when was the Betting Lab .... I recorded last nights Kempton card and didn't see it anywhere, last week it was during the last two racesThu, 20 Nov 2014 06:36:53 -0600Yes grendel i think most of these patterns would be contrivedMJ may just be winding down the season in a more pronounced fashion these days, it's perfectly possible for this to be the case as the flat ends and autumn aw begins.Was willow saying puntehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346131#542346131Yes grendel i think most of these patterns would be contrivedMJ may just be winding down the season in a more pronounced fashion these days, it's perfectly possible for this to be the case as the flat ends and autumn aw begins.Was willow saying punteThu, 20 Nov 2014 06:36:39 -0600I think you misunderstood me DI, I was referring to 'in-form' trainers as opposed to trainer trends. I myself use trainer trends a lot for my punting. What I was meaning by 'in-form' trainers was periods where a trainers representatives were havinghttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30388419/the-betting-lab--is-trainer-form-real?post_id=542346065#542346065I think you misunderstood me DI, I was referring to 'in-form' trainers as opposed to trainer trends. I myself use trainer trends a lot for my punting. What I was meaning by 'in-form' trainers was periods where a trainers representatives were havingThu, 20 Nov 2014 06:27:56 -0600