New Posts For Thread: Tom Segal...the man who said AP McCoyhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoywouldn't be in his top 10 riders over fences when he was handed the ride on Denman. This, despite the fact, that no-one on earth has ridden more chase wins than the champ.A Jockey never won a race in their life, the horse they're riding wins the race, and no trainer ever won a horse race, the horses they train win.Simple really when you think about it?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536421883#536421883A Jockey never won a race in their life, the horse they're riding wins the race, and no trainer ever won a horse race, the horses they train win.Simple really when you think about it?Mon, 11 Nov 2013 18:05:34 -0600i was going on about pattern races to so surely he would of rode more winners if he was with nicholls or henderson over the last few yearI do not see why that should be the case. It is not as if AP was riding for Violet Jordan. Martin Pipe was champihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536417607#536417607i was going on about pattern races to so surely he would of rode more winners if he was with nicholls or henderson over the last few yearI do not see why that should be the case. It is not as if AP was riding for Violet Jordan. Martin Pipe was champiMon, 11 Nov 2013 14:22:48 -0600Ruby has probably won about another 70 graded/listed races in Ireland since 2010https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536417593#536417593Ruby has probably won about another 70 graded/listed races in Ireland since 2010Mon, 11 Nov 2013 14:21:46 -0600its seems on this forum that "the crowd" dont rate mccoy,i was going on about pattern races to so surely he would of rode more winners if he was with nicholls or henderson over the last few year,ruby is a great jockey but no one comes within a stonehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536416363#536416363its seems on this forum that "the crowd" dont rate mccoy,i was going on about pattern races to so surely he would of rode more winners if he was with nicholls or henderson over the last few year,ruby is a great jockey but no one comes within a stoneMon, 11 Nov 2013 13:23:25 -0600Ruby has spent most of his time in Ireland. Surely wrong if comparing stats to ignore Rubys achievements there. It is also crazy to say the one with the most wins is necessarily the best. Otherwise just write down the ten with the most winners ever ahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536411627#536411627Ruby has spent most of his time in Ireland. Surely wrong if comparing stats to ignore Rubys achievements there. It is also crazy to say the one with the most wins is necessarily the best. Otherwise just write down the ten with the most winners ever aMon, 11 Nov 2013 07:09:26 -0600My figures cover Graded and Listed races in Britain only. Ruby's figures would probably get a greater boost from including Irish races, and you'd expect Davy Russell and other Irish-based jockeys to feature.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536411231#536411231My figures cover Graded and Listed races in Britain only. Ruby's figures would probably get a greater boost from including Irish races, and you'd expect Davy Russell and other Irish-based jockeys to feature.Mon, 11 Nov 2013 06:26:57 -0600Ramruma's stats would be more interesting if the h'cap marks of their respective mounts were analysed.In term of career mounts I doubt that Ruby Walsh has sat on a beast in the UK rated under 100.Anyone (except Joe Tizzard of course) can look good rihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536410969#536410969Ramruma's stats would be more interesting if the h'cap marks of their respective mounts were analysed.In term of career mounts I doubt that Ruby Walsh has sat on a beast in the UK rated under 100.Anyone (except Joe Tizzard of course) can look good riMon, 11 Nov 2013 05:59:23 -0600@ged -- Do any ground differences show up?I might investigate this evening. Work calls now.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536410215#536410215@ged -- Do any ground differences show up?I might investigate this evening. Work calls now.Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:59:45 -0600imagine if mccoy had ridden for nicholls or henderson over that periodImagine if McCoy had ridden for the multiple champion trainer and then switched to the biggest owner, with his pick of outside rides.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536409953#536409953imagine if mccoy had ridden for nicholls or henderson over that periodImagine if McCoy had ridden for the multiple champion trainer and then switched to the biggest owner, with his pick of outside rides.Mon, 11 Nov 2013 03:14:23 -0600imagine if mccoy had ridden for nicholls or henderson over that period,im sure that them statistics would be very different ! he would be miles clear,head and shoulders above anyone mccoy is !https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/30129853/tom-segalthe-man-who-said-ap-mccoy?post_id=536409863#536409863imagine if mccoy had ridden for nicholls or henderson over that period,im sure that them statistics would be very different ! he would be miles clear,head and shoulders above anyone mccoy is !Mon, 11 Nov 2013 02:50:51 -0600