New Posts For Thread: A note about using race times as facts for rating horses...https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horsesAm writing this in response to a few threads that have been arguing how highly Frankel (and others) should be rated based on the times he (and they) ran in certain races.I am by no means a leading authority on speed figures but I think a few things nI have never had much regard for any study in horse racing, but each to their own enjoyment and if it adds to their success, then why not?Sectional times may mean something in other countries but even then tactics change from race to race so again thhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523338085#523338085I have never had much regard for any study in horse racing, but each to their own enjoyment and if it adds to their success, then why not?Sectional times may mean something in other countries but even then tactics change from race to race so again thThu, 23 Aug 2012 06:56:12 -0500Sometimes lose Roger?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335699#523335699Sometimes lose Roger?Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:16:44 -0500The name of the game is win. Whatever method you use is irrelevant.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335681#523335681The name of the game is win. Whatever method you use is irrelevant.Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:16:00 -0500Found my eyes a better gude than any sectional(which is measured from pointa to point b) what about inbetween your measuring instruments? and what good would it be in French racinghttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335639#523335639Found my eyes a better gude than any sectional(which is measured from pointa to point b) what about inbetween your measuring instruments? and what good would it be in French racingThu, 23 Aug 2012 04:12:47 -0500metro - I don't think the study is fruitless - it just has major limitations, which are usually glossed over by many time devotees.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335603#523335603metro - I don't think the study is fruitless - it just has major limitations, which are usually glossed over by many time devotees.Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:10:13 -0500Spot on Ged These people continue to steer people into years of fruitless study(been there done that)https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335573#523335573Spot on Ged These people continue to steer people into years of fruitless study(been there done that)Thu, 23 Aug 2012 04:07:12 -0500I think times can be interesting, particularly sectionals, to assess races, and horses. But the concept of 'same ground' is the problem. The ground is never the same from one day to another, and probably not even one race to the next (moisture will dhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335553#523335553I think times can be interesting, particularly sectionals, to assess races, and horses. But the concept of 'same ground' is the problem. The ground is never the same from one day to another, and probably not even one race to the next (moisture will dThu, 23 Aug 2012 04:04:48 -0500Your average times? where do ya start?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335157#523335157Your average times? where do ya start?Thu, 23 Aug 2012 03:35:08 -0500^ nonesensehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335139#523335139^ nonesenseThu, 23 Aug 2012 03:34:10 -0500So, comparing the time run by Frankel with that run by Sea The Stars a few years back is meaningless.It is *not* meaningless. Yes, judging horses solely on timings would be stupid, but flat out stating the opposite and saying the timings are valueleshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29335745/a-note-about-using-race-times-as-facts-for-rating-horses?post_id=523335065#523335065So, comparing the time run by Frankel with that run by Sea The Stars a few years back is meaningless.It is *not* meaningless. Yes, judging horses solely on timings would be stupid, but flat out stating the opposite and saying the timings are valuelesThu, 23 Aug 2012 03:29:37 -0500