New Posts For Thread: More pro-whip/anti-whip debatehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debateStruggling to see how the pro-whips are going to win this argument unless they come up with some new arguments or convincingly explain the current necessity for jockeys to use whips in races. I want to be convinced for the entertainment aspect but stSalmon spray, I havent really got anything against that point of view, but my point is still how that point can be pressed if the BHA propose hands & heels as a way out of the current mess.Horses CAN still race without being encouraged with an air-cuhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511799655#511799655Salmon spray, I havent really got anything against that point of view, but my point is still how that point can be pressed if the BHA propose hands & heels as a way out of the current mess.Horses CAN still race without being encouraged with an air-cuFri, 28 Oct 2011 09:16:07 -0500There aren`t any pro-whippers. There are some of us who think some horses need to be encouraged at times with an air-cushioned foam stick as has been the way in all equestrian sports for centuries. Except that they used to use real whips and still dohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511799107#511799107There aren`t any pro-whippers. There are some of us who think some horses need to be encouraged at times with an air-cushioned foam stick as has been the way in all equestrian sports for centuries. Except that they used to use real whips and still doFri, 28 Oct 2011 09:00:40 -0500Arkle, yes, it's hard for the jockeys to get organised. Thats why theres a PJA. Unfortunately they dont appear to be able to organise for sh1t, which could ultimately be a big problem for pro-whippers and I dont think this fact is lost on the BHA eithttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511798957#511798957Arkle, yes, it's hard for the jockeys to get organised. Thats why theres a PJA. Unfortunately they dont appear to be able to organise for sh1t, which could ultimately be a big problem for pro-whippers and I dont think this fact is lost on the BHA eitFri, 28 Oct 2011 08:56:29 -0500Gerry I reckon the non-trier problem has reduced the amount of betting and is a massive problem and the one that the authorities both in UK and Ireland should be tackling and it is the biggest problem facing racing. As one who loves the sport I cringhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511798831#511798831Gerry I reckon the non-trier problem has reduced the amount of betting and is a massive problem and the one that the authorities both in UK and Ireland should be tackling and it is the biggest problem facing racing. As one who loves the sport I cringFri, 28 Oct 2011 08:51:58 -0500Please there is a very wide variety of jockeys - flat, jumps, experienced, in-experienced, rich, poor, shy, vocal etc. Some are not in a position to/cant speak out and some can. Even AP and Frankie allowed themselves wittingingly or unwittingly to behttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511798595#511798595Please there is a very wide variety of jockeys - flat, jumps, experienced, in-experienced, rich, poor, shy, vocal etc. Some are not in a position to/cant speak out and some can. Even AP and Frankie allowed themselves wittingingly or unwittingly to beFri, 28 Oct 2011 08:45:35 -0500ArklePresumably you are suggesting that less money will be wagered (impacting the levy) as punters will feel less confident about the outcome? I don't buy this argument at all, not least because the BHA's failure to do anything much about non-triershttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511798337#511798337ArklePresumably you are suggesting that less money will be wagered (impacting the levy) as punters will feel less confident about the outcome? I don't buy this argument at all, not least because the BHA's failure to do anything much about non-triersFri, 28 Oct 2011 08:37:55 -0500Arklearkle, i dont see the link between whipping and prize money but happy to hear about it. Like I said, i enjoy the whip as an entertaining aspect of the sport but I just dont see how its going to be defended.Accept your point that it sounds like ihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511797927#511797927Arklearkle, i dont see the link between whipping and prize money but happy to hear about it. Like I said, i enjoy the whip as an entertaining aspect of the sport but I just dont see how its going to be defended.Accept your point that it sounds like iFri, 28 Oct 2011 08:27:19 -0500Gerry and Please if the whips are banned or these new rules are not modified drastically prize money will get even worse and owners will go to France and Ireland where prize-money is appreciably better. It is already happening now anyway. I presume yhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511796751#511796751Gerry and Please if the whips are banned or these new rules are not modified drastically prize money will get even worse and owners will go to France and Ireland where prize-money is appreciably better. It is already happening now anyway. I presume yFri, 28 Oct 2011 07:55:02 -0500So i think its established that the overwhelming majority of those involved in racing or who follow racing would like to go back to the old whip guidelines.The bha have sadly given oxygen to minority animal rights groups and some media types courtinhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511795633#511795633So i think its established that the overwhelming majority of those involved in racing or who follow racing would like to go back to the old whip guidelines.The bha have sadly given oxygen to minority animal rights groups and some media types courtinFri, 28 Oct 2011 07:24:58 -0500salmon - aye, I'm sure you can!https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28630765/more-pro-whipanti-whip-debate?post_id=511795513#511795513salmon - aye, I'm sure you can!Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:21:35 -0500