New Posts For Thread: The Whip Debate - a different spin on the factors driving changehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-changeIt's been a long time since I posted due to falling out of love for the game and having stood back and seeing racing going into self destruct mode, I thought I'd post my thoughts on the real underlying factors imo.....In these hard commercial times iDisagree with the OP. The racecourses have for some while aimed for the business of the pissheads. These people couldnt give a damn about how many times a horse is whipped. These new rules are no more likely or unlikely to get the courses repeat busihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511695321#511695321Disagree with the OP. The racecourses have for some while aimed for the business of the pissheads. These people couldnt give a damn about how many times a horse is whipped. These new rules are no more likely or unlikely to get the courses repeat busiWed, 26 Oct 2011 07:24:08 -0500arkle, lots of owners/trainers are only in the game to have'A TOUCH' which means their horses dont always run on merit.wrong distance, going, riding instructions, not fit.impossible to monitor.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511694223#511694223arkle, lots of owners/trainers are only in the game to have'A TOUCH' which means their horses dont always run on merit.wrong distance, going, riding instructions, not fit.impossible to monitor.Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:51:19 -0500Which just goes to show that the social racegoer does not give a hoot about whips. In fact most of them hardly know that whips exist. The big problem with racing is the number of non-triers and if anything puts people off racing it is that FULL STOP.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511693075#511693075Which just goes to show that the social racegoer does not give a hoot about whips. In fact most of them hardly know that whips exist. The big problem with racing is the number of non-triers and if anything puts people off racing it is that FULL STOP.Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:08:05 -0500barry - if they can get the "social racegoers" to go six times a year rather then once a year, think of the revenue ;-)https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692861#511692861barry - if they can get the "social racegoers" to go six times a year rather then once a year, think of the revenue ;-)Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:00:38 -0500barry - if they can get the "social racegoers" to go six times a year rather then once a year, think of the revenue ;-)https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692859#511692859barry - if they can get the "social racegoers" to go six times a year rather then once a year, think of the revenue ;-)Wed, 26 Oct 2011 06:00:38 -0500roggrain - don't think it's just the RSPCA, I believe they are just accessories/scapegoats to the real drivers involved herehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692799#511692799roggrain - don't think it's just the RSPCA, I believe they are just accessories/scapegoats to the real drivers involved hereWed, 26 Oct 2011 05:58:53 -0500arkle, most festival meetings attract 10 times attendance of normal off day fixtures, royal ascot ladies day 60,000, 50,000 of them never watch a live race.most festival days are for once a year social racegoers.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692775#511692775arkle, most festival meetings attract 10 times attendance of normal off day fixtures, royal ascot ladies day 60,000, 50,000 of them never watch a live race.most festival days are for once a year social racegoers.Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:58:11 -0500Exactement Arklearkle. I think though that the BHA has bowed down,for whatever reason,to the demands of the R.S.P.C.A.and has fabricated this 'public perception'(dogmatic),nonsense as a way of justifying the rules to those involved in the game.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692679#511692679Exactement Arklearkle. I think though that the BHA has bowed down,for whatever reason,to the demands of the R.S.P.C.A.and has fabricated this 'public perception'(dogmatic),nonsense as a way of justifying the rules to those involved in the game.Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:54:16 -0500If all the energy and effort which has been wasted on the whip issue had been put into explaining the need for the whip and its effect on horses racing would be in a much better light today.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692335#511692335If all the energy and effort which has been wasted on the whip issue had been put into explaining the need for the whip and its effect on horses racing would be in a much better light today.Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:39:40 -0500A cynical but rather true post from the OP. I would go further though, i think they know there isn't a problem with the perception...https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28622709/the-whip-debate---a-different-spin-on-the-factors-driving-change?post_id=511692245#511692245A cynical but rather true post from the OP. I would go further though, i think they know there isn't a problem with the perception...Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:36:37 -0500