New Posts For Thread: Another reason why the whip rules are flawed....https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawedAre 10 'love taps' as bad as, say for example, just 5 of what Spencer dished out to Cape Blanco?Are 15 'love taps' as bad as 8 hefty whacks by McCoy?The new rules are encouraging jockeys to make sure every strike counts and to use more force.Surely tI think this thread has brought out the best in posters,reasoned arguments without the insults.I think the new rules are ludicrous but i am from the old school so accept something has to be done,jockeys are scared now and don`t know what to do.Gerryhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510092683#510092683I think this thread has brought out the best in posters,reasoned arguments without the insults.I think the new rules are ludicrous but i am from the old school so accept something has to be done,jockeys are scared now and don`t know what to do.GerrySun, 16 Oct 2011 14:59:51 -0500I posted the other day,and had my fax read out on radio 5 live,that the problem lies with the word WHIP,as it conjures up a flailing leaving weal marks. The media and public don't know the result of a few smacks with the CUSHION WHIP,theynimagine thhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510090253#510090253I posted the other day,and had my fax read out on radio 5 live,that the problem lies with the word WHIP,as it conjures up a flailing leaving weal marks. The media and public don't know the result of a few smacks with the CUSHION WHIP,theynimagine thSun, 16 Oct 2011 14:26:21 -0500Gerry, fair enough, but I'm not sure a horse would want to risk breaking its neck trying to jump Beecher's Brook (or it's equivalent) out in the wild! Because of what happened in this year's race, next year's Grand National is obviously going to comehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510087693#510087693Gerry, fair enough, but I'm not sure a horse would want to risk breaking its neck trying to jump Beecher's Brook (or it's equivalent) out in the wild! Because of what happened in this year's race, next year's Grand National is obviously going to comeSun, 16 Oct 2011 13:27:37 -0500George, I suppose I can find compelling (to me, anyway :) ) arguments in defence of jump racing, 2yo racing, racing in general...but I find it increasingly harder to defend use of the whip for 'encouragement' (I don't dispute carrying it for safety/chttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510087271#510087271George, I suppose I can find compelling (to me, anyway :) ) arguments in defence of jump racing, 2yo racing, racing in general...but I find it increasingly harder to defend use of the whip for 'encouragement' (I don't dispute carrying it for safety/cSun, 16 Oct 2011 12:55:39 -0500GeorgeDon't you think it's easier to argue a case for retaining something that's natural? Horses run and horses jump - all horse racing does is to harness and in some respects, help make safe, that natural tendency.Whipping a horse is not a natural thttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510087201#510087201GeorgeDon't you think it's easier to argue a case for retaining something that's natural? Horses run and horses jump - all horse racing does is to harness and in some respects, help make safe, that natural tendency.Whipping a horse is not a natural tSun, 16 Oct 2011 12:53:50 -0500Jezebel, it's a tough, high risk sport, with jockeys and horses risking life and limb (particularly over jumps, obviously). Even without the whip, the sport can be hard on horses.As I've said, it's not just about the whip, but the whip is the thin edhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510086549#510086549Jezebel, it's a tough, high risk sport, with jockeys and horses risking life and limb (particularly over jumps, obviously). Even without the whip, the sport can be hard on horses.As I've said, it's not just about the whip, but the whip is the thin edSun, 16 Oct 2011 12:39:08 -0500Steamship - I've yet to read one argument for retaining the whip that cannot be countered with a better argument for getting rid of it. I've also yet to find anyone who can take issue with the fact that if jockeys do not carry whips then they cannothttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510086281#510086281Steamship - I've yet to read one argument for retaining the whip that cannot be countered with a better argument for getting rid of it. I've also yet to find anyone who can take issue with the fact that if jockeys do not carry whips then they cannotSun, 16 Oct 2011 12:33:36 -0500Technically, the most effective way of making a horse go forward is use of the leg and seat aids - that's why the whip is needed so rarely (comparable with racing) in showjumping, eventing etc. Jockeys resort to the whip in racing because they're pehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510085965#510085965Technically, the most effective way of making a horse go forward is use of the leg and seat aids - that's why the whip is needed so rarely (comparable with racing) in showjumping, eventing etc. Jockeys resort to the whip in racing because they're peSun, 16 Oct 2011 12:27:55 -0500Jezebel, the same people wouldn't ask their pets to risk breaking their necks jumping 5 ft fences at 30 miles an hour, carrying weights of about 11 stone. So shall we ban jump racing too?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510085617#510085617Jezebel, the same people wouldn't ask their pets to risk breaking their necks jumping 5 ft fences at 30 miles an hour, carrying weights of about 11 stone. So shall we ban jump racing too?Sun, 16 Oct 2011 12:22:10 -0500*encouraginghttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28522153/another-reason-why-the-whip-rules-are-flawed?post_id=510085079#510085079*encouragingSun, 16 Oct 2011 12:13:01 -0500