New Posts For Thread: All this rubbish about "wonder horses" and "equine heroes" etc etc--------https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------I personally reckon that 95% of racegoers and TV punters would not recognise any difference whatsoever, if all of yesterdays Frankel race runners were substituted for completely different horses, but called the same names, ----with jockeys wearing thno i probably couldn't,but that's my point.it only becomes apparent when inferior horses meet their betters,hence usually winning distances/bridle wins are increased.when horses of similar class race each other,generally its difficult to know wetherhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510072711#510072711no i probably couldn't,but that's my point.it only becomes apparent when inferior horses meet their betters,hence usually winning distances/bridle wins are increased.when horses of similar class race each other,generally its difficult to know wetherSun, 16 Oct 2011 06:48:43 -0500But if you saw two races with the best against the best and the so called worst against the worst and you did not know what horses you were watching maybe because it was in singapore or somewhere ?Could you hand on heart say you could really tell thehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510072541#510072541But if you saw two races with the best against the best and the so called worst against the worst and you did not know what horses you were watching maybe because it was in singapore or somewhere ?Could you hand on heart say you could really tell theSun, 16 Oct 2011 06:42:00 -0500its only apparent when horses take a drop in class that it becomes clear to the eye the vast gulf betwween a top horse and a lesser horse.prior to dancing brave's arc,he ran in the select stakes against decent gp 2 and 3 horses.he absolutely hammeredhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510072325#510072325its only apparent when horses take a drop in class that it becomes clear to the eye the vast gulf betwween a top horse and a lesser horse.prior to dancing brave's arc,he ran in the select stakes against decent gp 2 and 3 horses.he absolutely hammeredSun, 16 Oct 2011 06:32:16 -0500not a bad effort at fishing but ...Show me a sprinting "super-star" horse, and I'll show you one rated 95 that runs the whole race about 1 second slower-------impossible to detect with the human eye1 second with horses at full gallop equates to morehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071767#510071767not a bad effort at fishing but ...Show me a sprinting "super-star" horse, and I'll show you one rated 95 that runs the whole race about 1 second slower-------impossible to detect with the human eye1 second with horses at full gallop equates to moreSun, 16 Oct 2011 06:03:37 -0500Well guys , I don't have all the answers, but it just occurs to me that if you ran an entire card on the same day, at let's say Doncaster, then the difference in times between the winner of the nursery, or even claiming race, or the listed race mighttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071731#510071731Well guys , I don't have all the answers, but it just occurs to me that if you ran an entire card on the same day, at let's say Doncaster, then the difference in times between the winner of the nursery, or even claiming race, or the listed race migSun, 16 Oct 2011 06:01:29 -0500There is an old saying that "They all look fast running past trees."The fact remains that the "Super horses", the Frankels, Brigadiers, Sea the stars, Nijinskys etc are beating the cream of their peers again and again. Boring spectacle, does Michaelhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071593#510071593There is an old saying that "They all look fast running past trees."The fact remains that the "Super horses", the Frankels, Brigadiers, Sea the stars, Nijinskys etc are beating the cream of their peers again and again. Boring spectacle, does MichaelSun, 16 Oct 2011 05:56:14 -0500Richgit how would you ascertain "great/the best in any competative sphere?https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071471#510071471Richgit how would you ascertain "great/the best in any competative sphere?Sun, 16 Oct 2011 05:51:17 -0500I agree with you richgitThey all look bloody fast when there racing to the line at pontefract on a monday or on champions day at ascothttps://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071449#510071449I agree with you richgitThey all look bloody fast when there racing to the line at pontefract on a monday or on champions day at ascotSun, 16 Oct 2011 05:50:30 -0500Course records are far more greatly influenced by the going wind direction, and early pace than by the quality of the race.https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071363#510071363Course records are far more greatly influenced by the going wind direction, and early pace than by the quality of the race.Sun, 16 Oct 2011 05:46:06 -0500Andrew -----------check out which type of horses hold the 5 furlong course records at most Uk courses----I don't know the answer but I bet they are not recognised that much--------might be wrong, often am !https://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/28521351/all-this-rubbish-about-wonder-horses-and-equine-heroes-etc-etc--------?post_id=510071085#510071085Andrew -----------check out which type of horses hold the 5 furlong course records at most Uk courses----I don't know the answer but I bet they are not recognised that much--------might be wrong, often am !Sun, 16 Oct 2011 05:35:22 -0500