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08 Jul 21 20:53
Date Joined: 28 Jul 12
| Topic/replies: 1,108 | Blogger: gpz6316's blog
anyone have imformation regarding the derby winner adayar is he well ?
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Report sageform July 9, 2021 8:40 AM BST
Last time Appleby was interviewed he was clear about his next target so he was OK then. His problem is keeping his Group 1 horses apart.
Report unclepuncle July 12, 2021 2:07 PM BST
Beautiful sunny dry forecast for the next 12 days so, if that happens, likely to be quick ground.

That won't suit the Derby winner Adayar imo.

Love will enjoy the ground but her reappearance wasn't that exciting and the other older horses like Pyledriver, Sir Ron Priestly, Japan, Broome etc aren't top notchers and would be dire winners.
Wonderful Tonight surely won't be risked on the going.

Besides the three years olds have such an advantage at this time of year - witness the Eclipse.

Can't see the Boy's running Snowfall if Love runs and with Hurricane Lane and Alenquer declared for the Grand Prix de Paris on Wednesday it's hard too see them running here as well.

By a process of elimination that leaves Lone Eagle who should relish the going on breeding. 14/1 (15/1 on here) will be a lot shorter if it cuts up as expected, especially if Frankie rides again.
I just find it hard to back Martyn Meade in such a big race, especially antepost.Cry
Report gpz6316 July 12, 2021 10:36 PM BST
bit of a heatwave forecast . ascot 1m 4f , age for weight , they,ll water as well pros  . looking at loves profile its clear this is the big one . i am sure the arc is the big one for adayar , trappy
Report elisjohn July 13, 2021 10:46 PM BST
rattling quick ground,Grin remember the mud lover teenoso winning the kg against a class field when the ground was quick, fantastic days
Report elisjohn July 13, 2021 10:52 PM BST
could b ballet be in the mix ?
Report impossible123 July 14, 2021 5:59 PM BST
I think AOB will seek another easy race for Bolshoi Ballet in America. Also, his stamina is not assured esp against the best in the country; Adayar needs to prove he's no one-day wonder; Love is the hotpot.
Report gpz6316 July 14, 2021 10:25 PM BST
a great booster for the derby form with hurricane lane . i wouldnt be surprised to see love and adayar pull a long way clear . could be a galileo - fantastic light repeat  .
Report impossible123 July 15, 2021 7:37 PM BST
Hurricane Lane beat a plodder by 6l; beat Magallan by 1l who was trashed by St Mark Basilica in the French Derby; beat Lone Eagle who could not win a Gp3.

Flatter to deceive, I think.
Report penzance July 19, 2021 2:42 PM BST
Pyledriver N/R.
Report impossible123 July 19, 2021 8:06 PM BST
Money is down for Love. Winning distance?
Report Platini July 19, 2021 8:09 PM BST
potential rock hard ground scaring some off as well ?
Report Figgis July 19, 2021 8:56 PM BST
Money is down for Love

11k in a 28k market?
Report A_T July 19, 2021 9:41 PM BST
potential rock hard ground scaring some off as well ?

they'll be pouring the water on
Report morpteh mackem July 21, 2021 1:59 PM BST
is rain not forecast on saturday ?
Report sageform July 21, 2021 2:19 PM BST
Rain possible from Friday on for several days.
Report A_T July 21, 2021 3:47 PM BST
chance of thunder showers on Saturday - but may get nothing at all - there were storms in the SE yesterday but only north and east of London
Report A_T July 22, 2021 10:39 AM BST
6 left in - probably only 5 as would expect WT to be withdrawn unless there is a lot of rain
Report elisjohn July 22, 2021 10:40 AM BST
love, adayir, mishrif, lone eagle, wonderful tonight and broome
Report LoyalHoncho July 23, 2021 1:29 AM BST
Four runners in the Eclipse ( however good a winning performance we got ) and every chance of this cutting up further too.
Absolutely pathetic.
Report roadrunner46 July 23, 2021 8:30 AM BST
exciting race tomorrow, impossible to lose in this race, bet the two market leaders and pray that adayar is a superstar and you win or love wins and you lose nothing, just enjoy the race and no bet for me, dont know how much the weights will balance things up, would give love a slight advantage, dont mind who wins as long as a good race between those two and the winning distance is less than a length hopefully
Report FOYLESWAR July 23, 2021 10:52 AM BST
how do the time gurus on here see this race panning out ,sandown ,figgis etc  would be  interested in your views ! tia
Report elisjohn July 23, 2021 11:14 AM BST
havent had a really top derby winner run in this for ages( i think), so lets hope adayir is a good one, if he is he wins
Report jack.b July 23, 2021 11:39 AM BST
don't think Love will run....
Report A_T July 23, 2021 11:53 AM BST
Maybe not if the rain arrives and it comes up soft
Report elisjohn July 23, 2021 12:49 PM BST
dam sire  pivotal, dont see any reason for her not to run on soft , might ever be better on it
Report A_T July 23, 2021 12:50 PM BST
that was the excuse given when she missed the Arc
Report elisjohn July 23, 2021 12:52 PM BST
oh i think there was more to it then A t ,!  but with this lot who knows
Report A_T July 23, 2021 12:57 PM BST
I think so too but it was the excuse given - so she may need to be withdrawn again to establish a consistent narrative Wink
Report Figgis July 24, 2021 10:30 AM BST
Hi Foyles, on my figures Adayar is clearly the best middle distance 3yo around and an above average Derby winner. Provided he comes out of the Derby well (to my eyes he didn't have a particularly hard race, but you never know) and we don't get a farcical pace, I don't just think he'll win, I think he'll win pretty easily.
Report Millerracing67 July 24, 2021 1:44 PM BST
Would have been sweet on the Derby winner had a bit more rain arrived & they had run a pacemaker for him. Without both of these I'll just watch. Gd luck with you bets lads.
Report Steamship July 24, 2021 1:48 PM BST
No bet for me but would like to see WT win we need the lesser stables(no offence) to take some big races
Report A_T July 24, 2021 2:34 PM BST
at the prices Mishriff looks the interesting one to me - i don't see where the pace is going to come from which might suit him
Report FELTFAIR July 24, 2021 3:02 PM BST
Backed the front two. Anticipate Love being held up and hoping her mile speed can get her in front at the business end. If not hope Adayar prevails.
Report harry callaghan July 24, 2021 3:31 PM BST
Tricky little race…I’ve got my own opinion about adayar but will not knock him as he’s clearly good.

On my new stuff..I’ve got lone eagle much the best at the weights and have played at the odds. I think he’s a proper colt and is stepping forward run by run.

We will see all the best.
Report Sandown July 24, 2021 3:32 PM BST
Bangkok winning at York at 16.0 beating Mohaafeth at 1.8 is a timely reminder that anything can win any race at any time.

In the KG, now that there hasn't been any rain and the ground is racing fast, I can't find any value in this race. The market has it right and not even dutching the front two appeals. The cases for both Love and for Adayar look solid but I wouldn't be surprised if Mishrif runs a blinder.

I have one slight concern in the back of mind about Adayar is that on the day before Epsom he was trading at 55.0 on BF and he eventually ended up at 18.0.Obviously there was considerable late money for it but Godolphin/Appleby are not like Coolmore when it comes to backing horses so where did that money come from? On the prices, he was well behind Hurricane Lane who was clearly the stable no. 1. Nevertheless, the figures were good, it was no fluke, and if he gets beaten it be anything to do with his Derby price. But still.....

I think that Lone Eagle is flattered by finishing so close to Hurricane Lane and Broome has a level that is below this.

No bet for me. There are better bets elsewhere today.
Report Sandown July 24, 2021 3:34 PM BST
won't be anything to do with his Derby price
Report harry callaghan July 24, 2021 3:41 PM BST
Played winners. Back to the drawing board for me
Report Sandown July 24, 2021 3:42 PM BST
Good horse. Still improving I should think.
Report roadrunner46 July 24, 2021 3:45 PM BST
gutted i never had a bet in the race Cry that was powerful display of superiority, WD backers
Report Sandown July 24, 2021 3:49 PM BST
Well done Figgis for being so confident. HR or Adayar for the Arc?
Report A_T July 24, 2021 3:56 PM BST
wd Figgis - top class Derby winner this Adayar

Mishriff at the limit of his stamina today - Gosden hinted so beforehand - think he'll be closer to SMB at York than Sandown
Report penzance July 24, 2021 3:57 PM BST
Top Class horse.
Report Figgis July 24, 2021 4:21 PM BST
Cheers lads, gotta admit I was feeling a bit less confident when he looked a bit too keen off the early pace.

Well done Figgis for being so confident. HR or Adayar for the Arc?

Sandown, would still be Adayar for me. I'm still of the opinion that HL's recent two runs, while being decent, aren't up to the level of this horse. Lots can happen between now and then though with some horses going over the top and others improving.
Report elisjohn July 24, 2021 4:35 PM BST
sandown, thinking about that plunge in the derby myself, must have been connections money,
Report A_T July 24, 2021 6:58 PM BST
the time was fast - quicker than Harbinger and only 2 faster winners since the track was relaid.
Report elisjohn July 24, 2021 9:30 PM BST
about time we had a really top class coltover derby trip
Report impossible123 July 25, 2021 7:19 AM BST
I think Adayar after yesterday's performance is the best 12f 3yr old here, Ireland and France over 12f unless High Definition surprises; Adayar ran freely yet finished his race with aplomb. I believe Love was put in her place (no excuse); Mishriff ran on gamely but was neve catching Adayar (stamina?).

Adayar vs Snowfall - both stout 12f horses - and go on indifferent ground. Very interesting; Coolmore will apply all the trickery to box in Adayar in the Arc so Godolphin be proactive and play Coolmore at their own game. I'd like to see the best horse wins.
Report LoyalHoncho July 26, 2021 12:48 AM BST
"Coolmore will apply all the trickery to box in Adayar in the Arc".
Ridiculous comment.
Still laughing yet.
Report gpz6316 July 26, 2021 9:48 PM BST
i think love has definitely regressed . reminds me of mandesha . they both had the form to win the arc as 3yo . not so good at 4 . looks like adayars arc to me
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