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1FU-31    Balder Succes28      4        Alan King         147    124    143
638-25    Bar De Ligne28      6        Steve Gollings         133    128    132
27/243    Bothy21    6        Brian Ellison         142    133    140
509P54    Capellanus14      6        Brian Ellison         127    92    133
1115-2    Cash And Go34      5        Nicky Henderson         145    135    144
712613    Cause Of Causes34      4        Gordon Elliott         —    132    140
2511-3    Claret Cloak49      5        Emma Lavelle         136    132    136
111U3-    Cotton Mill253    5        John Ferguson         145    103    153
138-31    Cousin Khee20      5        Hughie Morrison         —    112    121
203-P3    Dan Breen29      7        David Pipe         135    115    137
11F21-    Darlan253      5        Nicky Henderson         151    147    158
1-1114    Discoteca145      4        Gordon Elliott         —    105    137
310-73    Dontpaytheferryman14      7        Brian Ellison         126    131    130
32F14    Double Ross28      6        Nigel Twiston-Davies         142    139    145
216-3F    First Avenue42      7        Laura Mongan         131    96    133
P-1902    First In The Queue29      5        Nicky Henderson         132    103    133
61132    Fleet Dawn14    6        Brian Ellison         123    82    124
7333-    Hammersly Lake460    4        Nicky Henderson         142    —    —
121214    Hawkhill56      6        Tim Vaughan         135    110    133
121-94    Hisaabaat42      4        D K Weld         —    123    142
1538-4    Il Fenomeno55      6        Noel Meade         —    116    141
1146-2    Into Wain14      5        Steve Gollings         123    110    127
1218-2    It´s A Gimme49      5        Jonjo O´Neill         140    136    140
23217    Katkeau28    5        David Pipe         124    56    128
1147-0    Kazlian34      4        David Pipe         135    131    134
133/11    King Of Queens21      7        Thomas Mullins         —    118    135
1217-1    Lyvius23      4        Nicky Henderson         135    99    137
2F50-1    Olofi34      6        Tom George         144    134    142
27-38P    Persian Snow14      6        Philip Hobbs         130    125    130
39-511    Petit Robin14      9        Nicky Henderson         147    139    151
151-62    Princeton Plains93      6        Edward P Harty         —    122    146
2F11-    Ranjaan338      4        Paul Nicholls         141    111    137
201316    Rattan34      7        W P Mullins         —    134    149
301-12    Raya Star28      6        Alan King         155    151    154
6380-3    Redera22F      6        A J Martin         —    120    141
68P-52    Rigidity43      5        Tim Vaughan         —    94    133
44-16P    Rowan Tiger14    6        Dr Richard Newland         135    128    135
23711    Shrapnel31      6        Gordon Elliott         —    120    149
61/1-0    Snap Tie34      10        Philip Hobbs         150    144    155
30-067    Starluck14      7        David Arbuthnot         143    123    144
1111-    Swing Bowler279      5        David Pipe         123    81    113
2180-0    Ted Spread49    5        Paul Nicholls         132    115    136
F12P72    Thomas Edison49      5        A J Martin         —    102    134
151-03    Top Wood16      5        David Pipe         120    107    121
04-148    Urbain De Sivola41      4        Nick Williams         138    97    127
141U-0    Waterunder36      5        David Pipe         123    49    113
P710B/    Whitby Jack622    5        Gary Moore         —    —    —
53-634    Wingtips27    4        A J Martin         —    118    137


Balder Success, Hammersly Lake and Claret Cloak the 3 that immediately jump off the page for me. Obv Darlan too but is he an intended runner? Cant be lookin at him till i hear somethin!

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By:
Flemenstar
When: 11 Dec 12 02:47
Really fancy Cotton Mill for this, especially if Raya Star turns up to defend his win in the race last year, he'd have to give 10lb to Cotton Mill

Hammersly Lake could be anything, and a dark horse for me could be Il Fenomeno

Think the likes of Katkeau need further than 2m.

Cotton Mill for me though. One of my pre-season horses to follow and not deserting him if this is to be his season opener
By:
roobuck
When: 11 Dec 12 06:17
Whilst a true run race would help , fairly sure Cotton Mill would need further.

Not sure that any of the unexposed horses mentioned are particularly well treated and Darlan's mark doesn't look anywhere as near as attractive as it did a few weeks ago.

If it is soft I can still see Olofi being competitive and whilst I'll wait until there's a better idea of the field, I would see all the Greatwood placers going close
By:
sc1883
When: 11 Dec 12 08:26
The Henderson duo of Cash & Go and Lyvius could prove difficult to beat, especially Lyvius who was very impressive the other day at Newbury with Barry saying a faster pace would suit the horse better than the small field he encountered
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Dec 12 09:22
I agree Roo. I think there might be a bit more to come from Olofi.

The dark/interesting one for me is Ranjaan.
By:
sintonian
When: 11 Dec 12 09:23
JP McManus' gelding has won the Boxing Day Grade One twice in a row, beating Rock On Ruby last season before finishing fourth to the same rival in the Champion Hurdle at Cheltenham.

Outlining possible runners for Seven Barrows in the race, representative Charlie Morlock said: "Darlan has an entry in The Ladbroke at Ascot. Grandouet will be entered for Kempton and I'm sure Darlan will be too.

"I don't think Binocular definitely goes there - he came back into training a little later and might not get to Kempton on Boxing Day."
By:
knot in wood
When: 11 Dec 12 13:03
fancy balder succes quite strongly for this,dont look that strong a race to me if darlan dont turn up.
bs as won over c/d,goes on any ground and is still a relatively unexposed horse.
think i am right in saying he will run of 141 in this,now rated 147.
be disappointed if he cannot make the places at least.
By:
BJG
When: 11 Dec 12 13:20
Why would he run off 141? Confused No weights out yet
By:
booster
When: 11 Dec 12 13:22
Got to agree about Balder Succes. Stable seem to think it's a good horse and must be placed at least from that mark if it is. Beat a decent yardstick on its own patch and favoured ground at Haydock last time and has 2 course wins over further which I always like in handicap hurdles plus it looked like it had improved a lot last time with the way it travelled through the race.
By:
knot in wood
When: 11 Dec 12 13:35
just seen is rating of 141,against this particular race bjg.
i presumed it might be a early closing race.
By:
roobuck
When: 11 Dec 12 13:43
Balder Succes could get involved but needs it soft at best imo
By:
SteveBowers
When: 11 Dec 12 19:39
I like another one of Hendersons here, first In The Que. Ran a great race with the handbrake firmly applied last time out at Ascot over course and distance when stablemate Petit Robin won after being well backed, no money for FITQ that day. Petit Robin came out and won well enough on Saturday at Sandown off his revised mark, so could easily see there being more to come, 25/1 is certainly generous enough in my view, but does rely on NJH running him... Come on Nicky...
By:
BJG
When: 12 Dec 12 11:07
Raya Star (IRE) (Mr S. Munir) Alan King......................................................................... 6 11 12
Petit Robin (FR) (S W Group Logistics Limited) Nicky Henderson ..................... 9 11 12
Darlan (Mr John P. McManus) Nicky Henderson ........................................................... 5 11 8
Snap Tie (IRE) (Mrs Diana L. Whateley) Philip Hobbs .............................................. 10 11 7
Hisaabaat (IRE) (Dr R. Lambe/Dominick Glennane) D. K. Weld, Ireland ......... 4 11 5
Balder Succes (FR) (Masterson Holdings Limited) Alan King ................................. 4 11 4
Cotton Mill (Bloomfields) John Ferguson.......................................................................... 5 11 2
Cash And Go (IRE) (Mr R. J. H. Geffen) Nicky Henderson .................................... 5 11 2
Olofi (FR) (McNeill Family) Tom George.......................................................................... 6 11 1
Bothy (Mr Dan Gilbert) Brian Ellison.................................................................................. 6 10 13
Hammersly Lake (FR) (Mr Michael Buckley) Nicky Henderson........................... 4 10 13
Cause of Causes (USA) (Timeform Betfair Racing Club Ltd)
Gordon Elliott, Ireland........................................................................................................ 4 10 13
Wingtips (FR) (Ms Sheila Moffett) A. J. Martin, Ireland.............................................. 4 10 13
Rattan (USA) (Mr J. A. Coleman) W. P. Mullins, Ireland ........................................... 7 10 13
Double Ross (IRE) (Options O Syndicate) Nigel Twiston-Davies.......................... 6 10 13
Discoteca (Gigginstown House Stud) Gordon Elliott, Ireland .................................. 4 10 12
Shrapnel (IRE) (Gigginstown House Stud) Gordon Elliott, Ireland ....................... 6 10 12
Ranjaan (FR) (Highclere Thoroughbred Racing - Ranjaan) Paul Nicholls ............ 4 10 12
It’s A Gimme (IRE) (Mr John P. McManus) Jonjo O’Neill......................................... 5 10 11
Starluck (IRE) (Mr A. T. A. Wates) David Arbuthnot................................................. 7 10 11
Princeton Plains (IRE) (Mr John P. McManus) Edward Harty, Ireland ................ 6 10 10
Urbain de Sivola (FR) (Potensis Limited & Mr Chris Giles) Nick Williams ...... 4 10 9
Claret Cloak (IRE) (Hawksmoor Partnership) Emma Lavelle ................................. 5 10 7
Il Fenomeno (ITY) (Gigginstown House Stud) Noel Meade, Ireland................... 6 10 6
Rowan Tiger (Mr Paul Jenkins) Dr Richard Newland.................................................. 6 10 6
Hawkhill (IRE) (Mr R. H. D. Smith) Tim Vaughan ....................................................... 6 10 6
Kazlian (FR) (Twelve Pipers Piping) David Pipe ............................................................ 4 10 6
Thomas Edison (IRE) (Mr John P. McManus) A. J. Martin, Ireland ....................... 5 10 6
Dan Breen (IRE) (Mr Stuart & Simon Mercer) David Pipe...................................... 7 10 6
Lyvius (Mr Trevor Hemmings) Nicky Henderson........................................................... 4 10 6
Redera (IRE) (Peter William Partnership) A. J. Martin, Ireland ............................... 6 10 5
King of Queens (IRE) (Miss Ashley Scanlon) Thomas Mullins, Ireland................ 7 10 4
Rigidity (Pearn’s Pharmacies Ltd) Tim Vaughan.............................................................. 5 10 4
Bar de Ligne (FR) (Mr P. J. Martin) Steve Gollings ...................................................... 6 10 4
Ted Spread (False Nose ’n Glasses Partnership) Paul Nicholls................................ 5 10 3
First In The Queue (IRE) (Mr Liam Breslin) Nicky Henderson............................ 5 10 3
First Avenue (Mrs L. J. Mongan) Laura Mongan............................................................ 7 10 2
Into Wain (USA) (Mr P. J. Martin) Steve Gollings ........................................................ 5 10 1
Persian Snow (IRE) (Mr D. R. Peppiatt) Philip Hobbs .............................................. 6 10 0
Capellanus (IRE) (Mrs Claire Ellison) Brian Ellison ...................................................... 6 9 11
Dontpaytheferryman (USA) (Koo’s Racing Club) Brian Ellison............................ 7 9 10
Top Wood (FR) (Lady Clarke) David Pipe ....................................................................... 5 9 9
Whitby Jack (Mr C. E. Stedman) Gary Moore............................................................... 5 9 9
Katkeau (FR) (Prof C Tisdall, Mr J A Gent, Mr R Wilkin) David Pipe................. 5 9 9
Swing Bowler (Mr D. A. Johnson) David Pipe............................................................... 5 9 8
Waterunder (IRE) (Mrs S. Clifford) David Pipe............................................................ 5 9 8
Fleet Dawn (Prism Bloodstock) Brian Ellison.................................................................. 6 9 8
Cousin Khee (Mr Raymond Tooth) Hughie Morrison.................................................. 5 9 7
By:
mushroom23
When: 12 Dec 12 11:26
Huge fan of Cotton Mill and think 2m is his trip, he'll have no chance whatsoever in soft ground though.
By:
Workforce
When: 12 Dec 12 12:02
Balder Success OR is 147 not 141, why would he run off 141?
By:
knot in wood
When: 12 Dec 12 12:49
apologies if i put anyone away with that info,was 141 on the atr website for this race.
might have picked up  a 6lb penalty for is haydock win.
By:
forgotmyusername
When: 14 Dec 12 21:45
Anybody heard or read anywhere if King Of Queens is likely to come over for the race?
By:
BJG
When: 14 Dec 12 22:45
Tom Mullins is considering a valuable challenge across the Irish Sea later this month for the progressive King Of Queens.

His lightly-raced seven-year-old is in the shake-up for the Ladbroke Hurdle at Ascot on December 22.

He made it two from two over hurdles this season with a fine performance at Fairyhouse last Saturday, and Mullins said: "At the moment, King Of Queens is likely to run in the Ladbroke but we will have a look at the weights and see then. I am very pleased with how he has come out of his race at Fairyhouse and he seems very well."

He added: "He made the running at Fairyhouse but we wouldn't do that in Ascot as there will be a faster pace going on there. I think the Ladbroke will really suit him and so will better ground.

"He has certainly surprised me with how well he has come back from injury. He had to have long enough off because of tendon injures but maybe that's the key.

"He is very well bred and hopefully he will keep improving. I think he'll be up to Graded company all right but where we go after that, I don't know."
By:
BJG
When: 14 Dec 12 22:45
Tom Mullins is considering a valuable challenge across the Irish Sea later this month for the progressive King Of Queens.

His lightly-raced seven-year-old is in the shake-up for the Ladbroke Hurdle at Ascot on December 22.

He made it two from two over hurdles this season with a fine performance at Fairyhouse last Saturday, and Mullins said: "At the moment, King Of Queens is likely to run in the Ladbroke but we will have a look at the weights and see then. I am very pleased with how he has come out of his race at Fairyhouse and he seems very well."

He added: "He made the running at Fairyhouse but we wouldn't do that in Ascot as there will be a faster pace going on there. I think the Ladbroke will really suit him and so will better ground.

"He has certainly surprised me with how well he has come back from injury. He had to have long enough off because of tendon injures but maybe that's the key.

"He is very well bred and hopefully he will keep improving. I think he'll be up to Graded company all right but where we go after that, I don't know."
By:
Paddy Hair
When: 15 Dec 12 06:19
One i will be backing as he drops down the handicap is Starluck,there is a top class handicap to be won with this horse.If i knew which one i would tell you,what was the schweppes at Newbury or the 2 mile hcap on National day at Aintree would be my favourites.
By:
knot in wood
When: 15 Dec 12 09:23
ladbrokes are nrnb,but their prices are the lowest on nearly every horse.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 16 Dec 12 13:51
Paddy you may be right about Starluck but he probably needs a 1m 6f hurdle race with a downhill finish.
By:
BJG
When: 16 Dec 12 14:03
We hit the bar at Cheltenham - now we look towards going one better at Ascot
ALAN hit the crossbar yet again with the brave Walkon at Cheltenham yesterday, but there is still time to get the Christmas turkey money and, subject to coming through the week ok, both Balder Succes (Ladbroke Hurdle) and Smad Place (Long Walk Hurdle) will aim for the stars at Ascot on Saturday.
"We were lucky enough to win The Ladbroke last year with Raya Star, but he will wait for the Christmas Hurdle at Kempton this time around, so we will rely on Balder Succes at Ascot. He is in good form and will hopefully have a decent chance in what is always a very competitive handicap.
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Dec 12 13:49
Rigidity has been beaten over fences off lower marks recently, 125, and his hurdles rating is 133. However he was 2nd to Raya Star in this last year when RS was rated 133 himself so on that form he has a good chance. 20/1 he is at the moment but i'll hold my money for the time being as he is probably not certain to run.
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Dec 12 13:50
Can Olofi go in again off 144? He'll like the ground that is for sure.
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 14:06
In a word sint - yes. Has always promised a lot more and I think last time he put it all together. Really don't think he's reached his ceiling at all. Slight question mark on why he hasn't gone right-handed over this trip before but can only assume its coincidence.

I might also play Urbain de Sivola e/w if it is clear he is going to run. He'll also like the ground and 25/1 is a great price imo
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Dec 12 14:10
I keep remembering back to last year Roo where the trainer left him in at the 5-day stage for the Xmas Hurdle and the Champion Hurdle! He was also bought by the McNeill family halfway through the season.

I wondered about Ascot aswell, probably just an anomaly. I going to join you and have a little dabble on Olofi.
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Dec 12 14:20
The owner tweeted that the horse is in great nick and will be running.
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 14:20
I guess the danger is they actually may aim him at Kempton after what Tom George said about him post-race at Cheltenham! However if they think he's up to that, must take the beating off this mark and surely they'll wait to test him in a better grade later.
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 14:22
^ cheers sint - earlier next time please and save me typing Grin
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Dec 12 14:23
Agree. Nonsense to go for a G1 when he's off 144 with a nice prize available. You've got to take you chances when they come in this game. Excited
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 17 Dec 12 14:57
he was sensational in the Greatwood - despite being checked when making his first run, Brennan looked like he could win as he pleased.

So not very original but him and Cotton Mill would be the two or me - not been through the race in detail yet though.
By:
BJG
When: 17 Dec 12 15:39
Petit Robin (FR)    9       11 12
Balder Succes (FR)    4       11 4
Cotton Mill (GB)    5       11 2
Cash And Go (IRE)    5       11 2
Olofi (FR)    6       11 1
Bothy (GB)    6       10 13
Cause of Causes (USA)    4       10 13
Rattan (USA)    7       10 13
Double Ross (IRE)    6       10 13
Discoteca (GB)    4       10 12
Ranjaan (FR)    4       10 12
It's A Gimme (IRE)    5       10 11
Starluck (IRE)    7       10 11
Princeton Plains (IRE)    6       10 10
Urbain de Sivola (FR)    4       10 9
Claret Cloak (IRE)    5       10 7
Kazlian (FR)    4       10 6
Thomas Edison (IRE)    5       10 6
Dan Breen (IRE)    7       10 6
Lyvius (GB)    4       10 6
King of Queens (IRE)    7       10 4
Rigidity (GB)    5       10 4
Bar de Ligne (FR)    6       10 4
First In The Queue (IRE)    5       10 3
First Avenue (GB)    7       10 2
Into Wain (USA)    5       10 1
Capellanus (IRE)    6       9 11
Dontpaytheferryman (USA)    7       9 10
Top Wood (FR)    5       9 9
Whitby Jack (GB)    5       9 9
Katkeau (FR)    5       9 9
Swing Bowler (GB)    5       9 8
Waterunder (IRE)    5       9 8
Fleet Dawn (GB)    6       9 8
Cousin Khee (GB)    5       9 7
By:
sintonian
When: 17 Dec 12 17:34
8 four year-old's running this year. They are 0-32 overall, though 8 placed.

Of course it is just a STAT, and Unioniste proved them wrong on the weekend.
By:
roobuck
When: 18 Dec 12 20:35
In terms of value, the more I looked at the price of Urbain de Sivola the harder I found it to resist playing him.

I'm not sure that overall he is that well treated but if you compare one piece of form with Ranjaan, its easy to see the angle - beat him 10 lenghts, now 3lb better off and 3 times the price.

Obviously Nicholls has improved his horse and has proved pretty consisten but on the forecast soft ground, the price differential made it worth a play.

That being said, looking at their ratings along with the other 4yos, makes me more confident about Olofi.
By:
Markphisto
When: 18 Dec 12 22:47
Agree with those supporting Olofi....question is when to back him? No real moves for him in the market. May be able to back him @ 12's e/w 5 places after the decs, or at even bigger on here when there is more liquidity in the market....any thoughts??
By:
stevo1
When: 19 Dec 12 02:10
Cash and Go to pay xmas xs for me on at 10s, will love the going on Saturday!
By:
roobuck
When: 19 Dec 12 06:18
Cash and Go sure to go well and someone on here said that had not seen a more impressive horse after been seen in paddock at Cheltenham. I think that he is 4lb better off with Olofi but the way the race was run just think Olofi can cope with it. However young horse with bags of potential improvement.

I think prices will tighten up after decs as some will surely not run after the rain arrives. Also not sure if there will be enough runners for 1st 5 but could be wrong.
By:
sintonian
When: 19 Dec 12 08:49
I think you may be right Markphisto. Olofi is not really a horse punters like or have much faith in. He could be bigger on the day imo.

I like Urbain also Roo. Had a win bet on him in the Triumph last season due to his impressive form. If he is declared I may back him also.
By:
sintonian
When: 19 Dec 12 13:13
Emma Lavelle hopes the wet weather forecast is wide of the mark ahead of Claret Cloak's bid to extend the Andover trainer's good form in The Ladbroke at Ascot on Saturday
Sky Bet



The five-year-old finished a two-length third to Raya Star over the same course and distance in early November and only carries 3lb more at the weekend.

However, the forecast of rain leading up to the weekend has dampened Lavelle's enthusiasm somewhat.

She said: "I'm not pleased with the forecast, but as long as it's not heavy I'd imagine we'll run.


"He'll probably take his chance because he's got so many things going for him.

"The way the race will be run will be perfect - he ran well there last time and only went up 3lb.

"I can tell from his work at home that he's improved.

"If it was at Chepstow or Haydock he probably wouldn't be running, but Ascot never gets too deep so we'll probably run.
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