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The fickle finger of fate will point away from my fortune, I suppose. :(
The fickle finger of fate will point away from my fortune, I suppose. :(
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JOCI Club 13 Jun 10 01:37
For me, this is the least interesting TTF competition I can remember for a long time.
Guess you don't have one on 309 points with Mawatheeq and Twice Over to go tomorrow! Both horses were pretty unpopular, so fingers crossed.
For me, this is the least interesting TTF competition I can remember for a long time.
Guess you don't have one on 309 points with Mawatheeq and Twice Over to go tomorrow! Both horses were pretty unpopular, so fingers crossed.
No, 258, with Timepiece tomorrow and Age of Aquarius on Thursday.
Joint 1st in the monthly comp at the moment with 158 points.
Our one hope is that we have Showcasing in a lot of lists, so a win for him in the Golden Jubilee would be beneficial.
Joint 1st in the monthly comp at the moment with 158 points.
Our one hope is that we have Showcasing in a lot of lists, so a win for him in the Golden Jubilee would be beneficial.
Think I've been a complete arse.
All last season Canford Cliffs was the horse for me (esp as I live not that far away) and then I manage to talk myself into SNA, Fencingmaster and Pollenator. Goldikova getting the upper hand with Paco Boy.
APOB 3yos struggling.
Poor show by me.
All last season Canford Cliffs was the horse for me (esp as I live not that far away) and then I manage to talk myself into SNA, Fencingmaster and Pollenator. Goldikova getting the upper hand with Paco Boy.
APOB 3yos struggling.
Poor show by me.
Joint 2nd in monthly and 58th in Ascot comp. Great result in PoW Stakes. Presvis' dire show means you've not seen the last of me on here! 
Really need Age Of Aquarius to dot up tomorrow to put us in with a shout, but far from confident.
Good to see that the whiff of possible victory has lifted the spirits of our genial chairman!
I'm afraid that the 'whiff' could turn into a bad smell over the next day or so though.
Got one in 16th and another 6 in the top 200. Twice Over would have been a really good result, but wasn't to be. Music Show should see me in the prize money.
Given how many chances I have had to fly up the table,it would be a shame if they all missed :(
Given how many chances I have had to fly up the table,it would be a shame if they all missed :(
Good going. If both Music Show and Showcasing win, then that will bring another of our lists into play.
LAST year's Group 2 DFS May Hill Stakes winner Pollenator, who finished last of 17 in Wednesday's Sandringham Handicap at Royal Ascot, could have run her last race.
Connections went into this season with high hopes for the Motivator filly, but following a disappointing performance in the StanJames.com 1,000 Guineas and defeat at Newbury, her most recent flop could be the last straw.
Connections went into this season with high hopes for the Motivator filly, but following a disappointing performance in the StanJames.com 1,000 Guineas and defeat at Newbury, her most recent flop could be the last straw.
Joci...I would really be interested in how you would tackle the subtitutions if you were owner of the group currently standing 3rd overall.
Just had a very quick look (literally), and for me key decisions would include (1) whether the group felt that they could get Workforce turned over in at least one and preferably both of the King George and The Arc. The list doesn't have Workforce and those ahead do. For me, including Workforce would be a perfectly feasible defensive move, to ensure the list would lose ground on those ahead, or be surpassed by those currently just behind, who include Workforce (impressive in Derby and potentially still plenty to come). If they felt that Wokforce had done all his scoring (a bold call), then a potential alternative like Harbinger might come into the equation.
(2) the other key horse for me would be Paco Boy. For many, the moral victor of the Queen Anne, there are two bonus races ahead (Sussex and QE11) that could be his for the taking, as my suspicion is he won't come up against the likes of Goldikova in those races. A potential 100 points is not to be sniffed at, and also several of the lists behind have Paco Boy (but the lists in front currently don't).
Of course, none of the above can legislate for the decisions of the owners of the other lists, including those in front, which could mean that whatever couse of action taken by the 3rd placed list could easily be neutralised by the decsions of the owners of the lists in 1st and 2nd place.
The list in 3rd has Rip Van Winkle, who despite it's relatively poor showing first time out, could still end up as a big player in races like the Eclipse.
In short, I'd be keener on more of a defensively minded strategy, plugging any obvious gaps (e.g. Workforce) and then chancing to good fortune that some of my differentiating horses, Sariska, Holberg, Sagacious could do me a few favours.
(2) the other key horse for me would be Paco Boy. For many, the moral victor of the Queen Anne, there are two bonus races ahead (Sussex and QE11) that could be his for the taking, as my suspicion is he won't come up against the likes of Goldikova in those races. A potential 100 points is not to be sniffed at, and also several of the lists behind have Paco Boy (but the lists in front currently don't).
Of course, none of the above can legislate for the decisions of the owners of the other lists, including those in front, which could mean that whatever couse of action taken by the 3rd placed list could easily be neutralised by the decsions of the owners of the lists in 1st and 2nd place.
The list in 3rd has Rip Van Winkle, who despite it's relatively poor showing first time out, could still end up as a big player in races like the Eclipse.
In short, I'd be keener on more of a defensively minded strategy, plugging any obvious gaps (e.g. Workforce) and then chancing to good fortune that some of my differentiating horses, Sariska, Holberg, Sagacious could do me a few favours.
105 points and more than 12,000 ahead of me. Could be my worst performance ever.
Seta picked up anhother useful 12 points for our leading list (now 298 pts) and 198 pts for June.
Doesn't have anything in the big race on the weekend though sadly.
Doesn't have anything in the big race on the weekend though sadly.
Jan Vemeer, followed by Dar Re Mi in the Eclipse would bring another list into contention.
Just been looking at this.
I've a couple around the 3000th place mark for June.
And a few around 4000th overall. But they aren't looking too good.
Careful subs for me me now. But with only 250 in the book, it's not easy to find something that's a bit hidden.
I've a couple around the 3000th place mark for June.
And a few around 4000th overall. But they aren't looking too good.
Careful subs for me me now.
But with only 250 in the book, it's not easy to find something that's a bit hidden.
Around 200th overall and 10th for June, but no chance of winning (either).
Got 6 on the main leaderboard. Jan Vemeer and Twice Over would probably be ideal, though I have the lot covered in the Eclipse (Twice Over/Zacinto/RVW/Sariska/Dar Re Mi). I guess that means an epic fail is on the cards with some 40/1 no hoper flying home.
Come on JOCI!!
Let'd me and you chuck in a bit of Dunkirk Spirit. The £10k prizes aren't much worse than the top prize. Let's try for those.
Let'd me and you chuck in a bit of Dunkirk Spirit. The £10k prizes aren't much worse than the top prize. Let's try for those.
That's July over for us already...not a trace of Twice Over amongst our lists.
Not even once over for me JOCI.
There's always August/Ebor....
There's always August/Ebor....
At least he'll be fresh for next time.
Penis Turpin won well today....only in one list though.
Penis Turpin won well today....only in one list though.
https://ttf.totesport.com/TTFLeaderboards/index.html
only two bothered to sub on leaderboard, monthly even more misterious
only two bothered to sub on leaderboard, monthly even more misterious
Have two in the top 20, three in the top 50, and four in the top 100...fingers crossed
Leaderboard"last updated" 15 July internally and probably only includes bonus horses added by then-complete list will probably appear in next update post closing date 6pm 16 July
JOCI Club Joined: 13 Mar 04
Replies: 3628 21 Jun 10 00:14
Just had a very quick look (literally), and for me key decisions would include (1) whether the group felt that they could get Workforce turned over in at least one and preferably both of the King George and The Arc. The list doesn't have Workforce and those ahead do. For me, including Workforce would be a perfectly feasible defensive move, to ensure the list would lose ground on those ahead, or be surpassed by those currently just behind, who include Workforce (impressive in Derby and potentially still plenty to come). If they felt that Wokforce had done all his scoring (a bold call), then a potential alternative like Harbinger might come into the equation.
(2) the other key horse for me would be Paco Boy. For many, the moral victor of the Queen Anne, there are two bonus races ahead (Sussex and QE11) that could be his for the taking, as my suspicion is he won't come up against the likes of Goldikova in those races. A potential 100 points is not to be sniffed at, and also several of the lists behind have Paco Boy (but the lists in front currently don't).
Of course, none of the above can legislate for the decisions of the owners of the other lists, including those in front, which could mean that whatever couse of action taken by the 3rd placed list could easily be neutralised by the decsions of the owners of the lists in 1st and 2nd place.
The list in 3rd has Rip Van Winkle, who despite it's relatively poor showing first time out, could still end up as a big player in races like the Eclipse.
In short, I'd be keener on more of a defensively minded strategy, plugging any obvious gaps (e.g. Workforce) and then chancing to good fortune that some of my differentiating horses, Sariska, Holberg, Sagacious could do me a few favours.
Princequillo - what did you / they do in the end?
Replies: 3628 21 Jun 10 00:14
Just had a very quick look (literally), and for me key decisions would include (1) whether the group felt that they could get Workforce turned over in at least one and preferably both of the King George and The Arc. The list doesn't have Workforce and those ahead do. For me, including Workforce would be a perfectly feasible defensive move, to ensure the list would lose ground on those ahead, or be surpassed by those currently just behind, who include Workforce (impressive in Derby and potentially still plenty to come). If they felt that Wokforce had done all his scoring (a bold call), then a potential alternative like Harbinger might come into the equation.
(2) the other key horse for me would be Paco Boy. For many, the moral victor of the Queen Anne, there are two bonus races ahead (Sussex and QE11) that could be his for the taking, as my suspicion is he won't come up against the likes of Goldikova in those races. A potential 100 points is not to be sniffed at, and also several of the lists behind have Paco Boy (but the lists in front currently don't).
Of course, none of the above can legislate for the decisions of the owners of the other lists, including those in front, which could mean that whatever couse of action taken by the 3rd placed list could easily be neutralised by the decsions of the owners of the lists in 1st and 2nd place.
The list in 3rd has Rip Van Winkle, who despite it's relatively poor showing first time out, could still end up as a big player in races like the Eclipse.
In short, I'd be keener on more of a defensively minded strategy, plugging any obvious gaps (e.g. Workforce) and then chancing to good fortune that some of my differentiating horses, Sariska, Holberg, Sagacious could do me a few favours.
Princequillo - what did you / they do in the end?
I've just thought about the Ebor meeting when making my subs.
Hopefully the £10k for that prize will double up when they pay me the August one too.
Hopefully the £10k for that prize will double up when they pay me the August one too.
I have one in 5th. I really struggled to decide on the subs. I was very tempted to put in both Harbinger and Workforce, but thought it was too defensive, and went for Workforce and Starspangledbanner in the end. I have other combinations of those 3 in the other lists I have in the top 200.
I think the other obvious subs were Twice Over and Canford Cliffs but I have those in most of my top lists.
A big run from Mawatheeq before the end of the season would do wonders for me.
Wish I'd known Ovedose was coming back for some of my lower lists.
I think the other obvious subs were Twice Over and Canford Cliffs but I have those in most of my top lists.
A big run from Mawatheeq before the end of the season would do wonders for me.
Wish I'd known Ovedose was coming back for some of my lower lists.
Not many points around today.
Snow Fairy not in.
Overdose won in Bratislava.
Snow Fairy not in.
Overdose won in Bratislava.
Hmm, this problem with the subs isn't making me feel happy. I would like to see how much I need to rely on a Mawatheeq recovery :(
Was Buzzword an option?
Was Buzzword an option?
Buzzword was in the list of horses, but even if I had known he was running in the Deutches Dervby, I'd have ignored him, as the points for bonus horses do not count until next Saturday. We have him in a single list (that's not doing very well).
Harbinger a bad result for you Dooby. Starspangled a good sub if he comes up trumps, rumoured to be taking on Canford in the Sussex..
Amazed here at all those not made subs when high up in July list. [:x]
Anyone here playing the Racegoers Club version of the flat TTF?
Just wondering what the remaining bonus races are.
I'll start a new thread if there's any interest.
Just wondering what the remaining bonus races are.
I'll start a new thread if there's any interest.
I actually dabbled with the idea of putting in both Age of Aquarius and Borderlescott, went for Workforce and Harbinger in the end. Lieing 7th overall.
Princequillo Joined: 11 Sep 09
Replies: 156 30 Jul 10 15:43
I actually dabbled with the idea of putting in both Age of Aquarius and Borderlescott, went for Workforce and Harbinger in the end. Lieing 7th overall.
That's good going!
Replies: 156 30 Jul 10 15:43
I actually dabbled with the idea of putting in both Age of Aquarius and Borderlescott, went for Workforce and Harbinger in the end. Lieing 7th overall.
That's good going!
Finished joint 2nd in the July prize. Fencing Master's defeat in Ireland at odds-on last week has made the difference between 1st and 2nd. Hopefully things will go a bit better in the Overall competition.
Princequillo, you're in a good position, best of luck.
Princequillo, you're in a good position, best of luck.
The guy who was second in the monthly comp must still be sitting in front of the tv with his jaw on the floor. He had Age of Aquarious for top prize. Goldikova a great start for the August comp for about 8,000 of us JOCI...
Yep, but at least that puts us ahead of all those without her.
I was once denied the Ebor £10k when 25/1 shot Super Tassa beat Sacred Song in the Yorkshire Oaks.
I've been determined to win it since....
I've been determined to win it since....
I've got horses in many of the big races.
I'm just hopeful that I've got the right combination in one entry.
I'm just hopeful that I've got the right combination in one entry.
Makfi wins the Jacques le Marois.
I'm blaming the conditions for Goldikova's defeat.
I'm blaming the conditions for Goldikova's defeat.
I've Rip Van Winkle in some lines.
But maybe those with him and Twice Over have the edge?
But maybe those with him and Twice Over have the edge?
Finished joint 4th in the Ebor meeting prize. Getting the feeling it just isn't my season. Top list overall is in 33rd, but I think that's destined to finish just outside the money.
495 points is the best I can muster overall, and 135 in the monthly competition.
Gutted with Sariska, would have put me third overall. Nice to see Sagacious entered up having changed stables. St Nicholas Abbey wil improve me a few points on those that have ten scorers when he takes the Champion stakes. Guinees form working out quite well and St Nic was really up against it in light of subsequent events. Hoping too that holberg improves for being fresh when he takes in the Irish st Leger, a leger double for Godolphin, think they did that once...I wish.
Gives you chances at least, especially the two less popular horses Holberg and Sagacious. Big ask for St Nic first time out though (does he have a prep planned)?
brought in Stacelita (won the Jean Romanet today) for a crack at the monthly prize. Unfortunately Sariska and Twice Over didn't read the script and the German group 1's Jukebox Jury was supposed to farm are being picked off by Campanologist.
oh well, back to the drawing board.
oh well, back to the drawing board.
Anyone even getting a sniff of a prize has done very well imo. About 15,000 entries between me and glory
All to play for with the September monthly prize. Plenty of action this weekend.
A nice 29 points to kick start September from Lillie Langtry!
Even better, Cape Blanco and Rip Van Winkle in same list. However, also had Starspangledbanner in same list, which was a let down.
Have reached the dizzy(?) heights of jt 11th in the September monthy comp, but not sure where the rest of my points are going to be coming from.
Any crumbs of hope left for you guys?
I'm starting to cast an eye over the jumps now, but also looking to put a few markers down for next year's flat.
Big disappointment this flat and I think I have to learn an important lesson; always go with your gut instinct and don't be persuaded otherwise. The last few years I've spent the winter with a list of must-haves - only to ditch them when I start reading so-called experts opinions in the spring and then find that I've thrown away major point scorers. That hurts far more than if I'd stuck with my own opinions because it's far easier to accept and understand if they fail.
Anyway, I love the jumps and might cough up a major perm which I haven't done since the £5 days.
I'm starting to cast an eye over the jumps now, but also looking to put a few markers down for next year's flat.
Big disappointment this flat and I think I have to learn an important lesson; always go with your gut instinct and don't be persuaded otherwise. The last few years I've spent the winter with a list of must-haves - only to ditch them when I start reading so-called experts opinions in the spring and then find that I've thrown away major point scorers. That hurts far more than if I'd stuck with my own opinions because it's far easier to accept and understand if they fail.
Anyway, I love the jumps and might cough up a major perm which I haven't done since the £5 days.
Close but no cigar in the September prize. Roll on the Jumps comp too!
Goldikova = 11 Group 1 wins 
If you didn't see the race it's worth it just to hear Bartlett's idiocy. Regal Parade passed her with Nicholls rowing away like Steve Redgrave and although Peslier was sat motionless Bartlett declared her beat without hesitation.
If you didn't see the race it's worth it just to hear Bartlett's idiocy. Regal Parade passed her with Nicholls rowing away like Steve Redgrave and although Peslier was sat motionless Bartlett declared her beat without hesitation.
Superb horse. Well done to Workforce for coming back and disproving his doubters.
hippie Joined: 07 Jun 05
Replies: 2385 10 May 10 15:02
RVW is the top 8-10f horse...Goldikova is another who could mop up easy points in fillies races, but against the colts might be 2nd best.
What colts would those be? Goldikova is officially the best miler in the world and of the top milers still in training she's already beaten Zacinto, Delegator and Paco Boy (in the same race that she beat Henrythenavigator). Rip Van Winkle's achieved nothing in comparison to what she's done and as for him being the top 10f horse it would help if he had actually won over the distance.
This girl is comparable to Miesque
hippie - good call. Paco Boy wasn't my worse selection though.
Replies: 2385 10 May 10 15:02
RVW is the top 8-10f horse...Goldikova is another who could mop up easy points in fillies races, but against the colts might be 2nd best.
What colts would those be? Goldikova is officially the best miler in the world and of the top milers still in training she's already beaten Zacinto, Delegator and Paco Boy (in the same race that she beat Henrythenavigator). Rip Van Winkle's achieved nothing in comparison to what she's done and as for him being the top 10f horse it would help if he had actually won over the distance.
This girl is comparable to Miesque
hippie - good call. Paco Boy wasn't my worse selection though.
661 points early 300s.
Finished 27th in September month.
On to the jumps.
Finished 27th in September month.
On to the jumps.
Started really well. I must have had 3 or 4 different lists in the top 20 or so at one time or another. Left with just one list struggling on the bottom of the leaderboard.
It is always hard to get all your best horses in one list, but all the points scored by Cape Blanco in the second half of the season has killed me.
It is always hard to get all your best horses in one list, but all the points scored by Cape Blanco in the second half of the season has killed me.
With good judgement you can get close, but to get a prize needs an element of good fortune imo.
Not even updated table today.
The Toat have really forgotten about the flat comp.
The Toat have really forgotten about the flat comp.
best list in 103rd. Two more in the final table.
Big hits: Canford Cliffs and Twice Over: was strongly overweight with both. Also had Goldikova, RVW, Fame and Glory and Special Duty, each in loads of lists. After that a whole bunch of underachievers.
Big Misses: Cape Blanco, Workforce (though made up a big chunk of my subs), Harbinger, Starspangledbanner. I remember dleiberately not putting Harbinger and Workforce together when subbing, which doesn't look too bright now!
Big hits: Canford Cliffs and Twice Over: was strongly overweight with both. Also had Goldikova, RVW, Fame and Glory and Special Duty, each in loads of lists. After that a whole bunch of underachievers.
Big Misses: Cape Blanco, Workforce (though made up a big chunk of my subs), Harbinger, Starspangledbanner. I remember dleiberately not putting Harbinger and Workforce together when subbing, which doesn't look too bright now!
Hawk Wing's Lockinge 21 Aug 10 16:57
Finished joint 4th in the Ebor meeting prize. Getting the feeling it just isn't my season. Top list overall is in 33rd, but I think that's destined to finish just outside the money.
Finished joint 19th, and had 2 other lists on the final leaderboard. If only I could have been this accurate with some of my bets through the Flat season!
Finished joint 4th in the Ebor meeting prize. Getting the feeling it just isn't my season. Top list overall is in 33rd, but I think that's destined to finish just outside the money.
Finished joint 19th, and had 2 other lists on the final leaderboard. If only I could have been this accurate with some of my bets through the Flat season!
Finished 143rd on 670 points. Good effort from you other guys!
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