New Posts For Thread: 2023 Qatar Prix de L'Arc de Triomphehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triompheENGAGEMENT Mercredi 10 Mai 2023 10h30 PARIS FORFAIT 1 Lundi 25 Septembre 2023 11h30 == FORFAIT 2 Mardi 26 Septembre 2023 11h30 == PARTANT PROBABLE Mercredi 27 Septembre 2023the proximity of Onesto (who's done nothing else this season) following home the winner makes me wonder if they had a faster strip of ground than those closer to the railhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563495823#563495823the proximity of Onesto (who's done nothing else this season) following home the winner makes me wonder if they had a faster strip of ground than those closer to the railSat, 07 Oct 2023 05:28:24 -0500I expected westover to run well and definitely place in the arc over hukum, it was said the king George was one of the best middle distance race run in Europe this year, on the morning line they mentioned the running style of westover in a negative lhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563490771#563490771I expected westover to run well and definitely place in the arc over hukum, it was said the king George was one of the best middle distance race run in Europe this year, on the morning line they mentioned the running style of westover in a negative lWed, 04 Oct 2023 13:18:28 -0500Luxembourg was another that was supposed to be a future world beater. Everyone could see from his form and times that he was fairly decent, but the projected sectionals proved a bum steer. I have Westover down 4lbs, which I should've seen coming if Ihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487855#563487855Luxembourg was another that was supposed to be a future world beater. Everyone could see from his form and times that he was fairly decent, but the projected sectionals proved a bum steer. I have Westover down 4lbs, which I should've seen coming if ITue, 03 Oct 2023 09:17:09 -0500Figgis. The more solid the final time, the more reliable the ratings whether time, collateral or sectional. I agree that there is nothing of much use regarding sectional projections in the public domain. There will be others who have developed a methhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487689#563487689Figgis. The more solid the final time, the more reliable the ratings whether time, collateral or sectional. I agree that there is nothing of much use regarding sectional projections in the public domain. There will be others who have developed a methTue, 03 Oct 2023 07:51:08 -0500Just to add, I am not trying to look for ways to pull down the level of this year's Arc. On watching the race in real time I assumed I had just underrated Ace Impact. It was only after analysing the result that I realised the level wasn't as good ashttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487425#563487425Just to add, I am not trying to look for ways to pull down the level of this year's Arc. On watching the race in real time I assumed I had just underrated Ace Impact. It was only after analysing the result that I realised the level wasn't as good asTue, 03 Oct 2023 05:19:18 -0500a projected rating is solid and proven conjecture backed up by years of observation - and maths!Sandown, you say that, but I have seen very little evidence of it from anywhere in the public domain. All the sectional fans were saying Savethelastdancehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487401#563487401a projected rating is solid and proven conjecture backed up by years of observation - and maths!Sandown, you say that, but I have seen very little evidence of it from anywhere in the public domain. All the sectional fans were saying SavethelastdanceTue, 03 Oct 2023 05:07:09 -0500My reading of the collateral form is that the RP handicapper has been conservative and could easily have justified another couple of pounds on the ratings given, but that is really neither here nor there in the scheme of things. Westover had a good rhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487341#563487341My reading of the collateral form is that the RP handicapper has been conservative and could easily have justified another couple of pounds on the ratings given, but that is really neither here nor there in the scheme of things. Westover had a good rTue, 03 Oct 2023 04:33:26 -0500Sandown, regardless of sectionals or times, I think most people are more impressed with a horse that finishes fast to win by a length and a half, than one that kicks on into the lead at the 2f pole and holds on to win by the same distance. The formerhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487117#563487117Sandown, regardless of sectionals or times, I think most people are more impressed with a horse that finishes fast to win by a length and a half, than one that kicks on into the lead at the 2f pole and holds on to win by the same distance. The formerMon, 02 Oct 2023 17:49:09 -0500I agree that using collateral ratings you u can't rate AI to the rating based on sectionals. My experience is that eventually the projected rating is often reached on collateral ratings. Not always but often. The TS rating of 121 indicates that the rhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563487047#563487047I agree that using collateral ratings you u can't rate AI to the rating based on sectionals. My experience is that eventually the projected rating is often reached on collateral ratings. Not always but often. The TS rating of 121 indicates that the rMon, 02 Oct 2023 16:33:56 -0500There are plenty of races that are obviously slowly run. In such cases we can be almost certain that beaten runners could've run faster given a faster pace. It was obvious with Nashwa in the Nassau, and I think the point was proved afterwards. This yhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31797417/2023-qatar-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=563486735#563486735There are plenty of races that are obviously slowly run. In such cases we can be almost certain that beaten runners could've run faster given a faster pace. It was obvious with Nashwa in the Nassau, and I think the point was proved afterwards. This yMon, 02 Oct 2023 14:14:56 -0500