New Posts For Thread: the irish derbyhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby10 declared, 7 obrien {6 aiden , 1 joseph} , so sad to see what racing is these days, hopefully madhmoon will spoil the partyAs expected the Irish Derby winner Sovereign has been scratched despite leniently treated at the weights; no entry from the O'Brien family either.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557523461#557523461As expected the Irish Derby winner Sovereign has been scratched despite leniently treated at the weights; no entry from the O'Brien family either.Mon, 08 Jul 2019 10:06:17 -0500I agree Hermosa ran well at Ascot despite beaten into 2nd place as the winner could be very good. Also, Hermosa was running round a bend for the very 1st time. But, I think Pink Dogwood is a slow boat; she was underwhelmingly unimpressive winning a Lhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557499659#557499659I agree Hermosa ran well at Ascot despite beaten into 2nd place as the winner could be very good. Also, Hermosa was running round a bend for the very 1st time. But, I think Pink Dogwood is a slow boat; she was underwhelmingly unimpressive winning a LThu, 04 Jul 2019 12:15:37 -0500impossible123 03 Jul 19 18:22 Joined: 07 Sep 15 | Topic/replies: 11,149 | Blogger: impossible123's blog Using the run of Norway (N) in the Irish Derby as a guide Sovereign (S) is no better than Sir Dragonet (SD) as SD beat Norway further than S did ihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557494023#557494023impossible123 03 Jul 19 18:22 Joined: 07 Sep 15 | Topic/replies: 11,149 | Blogger: impossible123's blog Using the run of Norway (N) in the Irish Derby as a guide Sovereign (S) is no better than Sir Dragonet (SD) as SD beat Norway further than S did iWed, 03 Jul 2019 15:21:03 -0500Yes Hermosa's level has stayed ok, although in my view her Ascot run was below Newmarket, but that could be forgiven with her also turning out at the Curragh. I still think that while the stable are showing consistent returns, their 3yo runners on thhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557493159#557493159Yes Hermosa's level has stayed ok, although in my view her Ascot run was below Newmarket, but that could be forgiven with her also turning out at the Curragh. I still think that while the stable are showing consistent returns, their 3yo runners on thWed, 03 Jul 2019 13:25:05 -0500So what was wrong with the ride Hermosa was given?https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557493141#557493141So what was wrong with the ride Hermosa was given?Wed, 03 Jul 2019 13:22:37 -0500True Figgis. And you'd have to say Pink Dogwood was a bit disappointing last week even if you thought her Oaks run was overrated. However, I'd say Hermosa ran pretty well at Ascot given the draw / pace scenario / ride she was given. Japan has improvehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557493085#557493085True Figgis. And you'd have to say Pink Dogwood was a bit disappointing last week even if you thought her Oaks run was overrated. However, I'd say Hermosa ran pretty well at Ascot given the draw / pace scenario / ride she was given. Japan has improveWed, 03 Jul 2019 13:16:30 -0500Good luck with that Bungle.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557492881#557492881Good luck with that Bungle.Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:45:42 -0500Using the run of Norway (N) in the Irish Derby as a guide Sovereign (S) is no better than Sir Dragonet (SD) as SD beat Norway further than S did in the Chester Vase. As such, one could deduce AVD ran at least 8l below his Derby form.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557492701#557492701Using the run of Norway (N) in the Irish Derby as a guide Sovereign (S) is no better than Sir Dragonet (SD) as SD beat Norway further than S did in the Chester Vase. As such, one could deduce AVD ran at least 8l below his Derby form.Wed, 03 Jul 2019 12:22:18 -0500Howellsy, I wouldn't just say it's a matter of them getting caught up by late maturers though. Many of these horses, Magna Grecia, Churchill, Gleneagles, even Saxon Warrior, are running slower after their big win.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557492321#557492321Howellsy, I wouldn't just say it's a matter of them getting caught up by late maturers though. Many of these horses, Magna Grecia, Churchill, Gleneagles, even Saxon Warrior, are running slower after their big win.Wed, 03 Jul 2019 11:29:00 -0500I found it hard to give a convincing speed figure rating to Sovereign's win but I'm reasonably confident it might be a 75, which is a pound better than AVD's Derby. The explanation is that he had pretty much the perfect pace scenario whereas AVD wasnhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31539357/the-irish-derby?post_id=557492251#557492251I found it hard to give a convincing speed figure rating to Sovereign's win but I'm reasonably confident it might be a 75, which is a pound better than AVD's Derby. The explanation is that he had pretty much the perfect pace scenario whereas AVD wasnWed, 03 Jul 2019 11:19:05 -0500