https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30thA penalty kick for Saxon Warrior after the "chicken" behaviour by Godolphin not running Masar, the winner at Epsom; Dee Ex Bee their 2nd string might not even get place if AOB runs The Pentagon and several of his Royal Ascot winners/runners eg Huntinhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554905747#554905747I hope Sax shows up at the Juddmonte on 24th August. I'm annoyed connections ran him here rather than The Eclipse next weekend as I believe (after Epsom) 10f would be his trip; no Cracksman and possibly no Enable either could be a good opportunity toSun, 01 Jul 2018 11:14:01 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554903377#554903377Not so many Group 1 10f races in the UK/GB calendar in the near term (Eclipse apart) so Saxon will go the Juddmonte at York or wait for the Irish Champion. I suspect it will be the Juddmonte.Sun, 01 Jul 2018 07:03:41 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554900505#554900505I wouldn't write him off just yet over any trip. A Epsom I think he had a valid excuse but today he should have beaten this lot from the position he was in but just didn't show the speed I would have expected to go past them. Hopefully he can show imSat, 30 Jun 2018 17:21:08 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554900163#554900163I'd not say Sax is top class, and neither are Masar, Roaring Lion, etc, until they have done battles with their elders eg Cracksman, Enable or Poet's Word. I think they just another bunch of mediocre milers similar to last year's colts.Sax could wellSat, 30 Jun 2018 16:51:15 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554900083#554900083WD layers, personally thought the bubble had burst at epsom for SW, couldnt really understand why he wasso popular for this race after epsom. everyone seemed to think the irish derby would be a "penalty kick"Sat, 30 Jun 2018 16:38:11 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554899759#554899759He was perfectly positioned in a slowly run race. He travelled well but when asked for his effort he didn't quicken in the way he has in the past, he just sort of stayed on at one pace all the way to the line gradually closing the gap. The spark seemSat, 30 Jun 2018 15:38:05 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554898791#554898791I think Sax is a better horse than Cliff Of Moher or US Army Ranger on Derby form and others. Also, a cooler environment would help too.Sat, 30 Jun 2018 13:53:38 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554898759#554898759I very much believe so if over 10f; connections put commercial values before horse's staying ability. Donnacha has been proven correct with his comments immediately post Sax's 2000G victory ie 10f.Sat, 30 Jun 2018 13:51:04 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554898585#554898585Do you think he would have gone past them today over 10 furlongs? He didn't look the same horse today from a long way out, that extra gear seemed to be missing and I don't think the trip was to blame.Sat, 30 Jun 2018 13:39:13 -0500https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31423151/irish-derby-30th?post_id=554898413#554898413I'd not dismiss 2000G form just yet given the performances of Masar and Roaring Lion in the Derby; Expert Eye was running over 1f shorter, and against much inferior opponents and faster ground. Similarly, Gustav Klimt appreciated the faster ground atSat, 30 Jun 2018 13:25:27 -0500