New Posts For Thread: Masarhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masarCould some kind soul please tell me if Masar will by-pass Royal Ascot and go for the Irish Derby? ThanksThe Eclipse it is Woody makes a lot of sense best 2/1 shot you will see in a very very long time is a machine goes off 4/6 4 or 5 go to post wins by half the track jobs a good un. I'm already counting.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554776169#554776169The Eclipse it is Woody makes a lot of sense best 2/1 shot you will see in a very very long time is a machine goes off 4/6 4 or 5 go to post wins by half the track jobs a good un. I'm already counting.Sat, 16 Jun 2018 12:11:13 -0500Headmaster,I totally agree with you that Camelots generation were very poor, he wasn't a great by any means, or close, and even if he had won the Leger should never have been mentioned in the same sentence with Nijinsky.I do believe though, that runnhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554697125#554697125Headmaster,I totally agree with you that Camelots generation were very poor, he wasn't a great by any means, or close, and even if he had won the Leger should never have been mentioned in the same sentence with Nijinsky.I do believe though, that runnWed, 06 Jun 2018 22:43:20 -0500Camelot wasn't done over by running in the Irish Derby. What prevented him becoming a great was the fact he was a very very average racehorse who just happened to be top of the charts in one of the worst classic crops in living memory. None of his fhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554695927#554695927Camelot wasn't done over by running in the Irish Derby. What prevented him becoming a great was the fact he was a very very average racehorse who just happened to be top of the charts in one of the worst classic crops in living memory. None of his fWed, 06 Jun 2018 17:58:35 -0500I123 - If they want to win the Arc then the Eclipse is the race to go for - Sea The Stars and Golden Horn prove that.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554695431#554695431I123 - If they want to win the Arc then the Eclipse is the race to go for - Sea The Stars and Golden Horn prove that.Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:50:47 -0500Sintonian,I tend to agree, and don't think they will send him to Ireland anyway, instead avoid SW and go for the Eclipse.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554694589#554694589Sintonian,I tend to agree, and don't think they will send him to Ireland anyway, instead avoid SW and go for the Eclipse.Wed, 06 Jun 2018 15:35:52 -0500Derby, Irish Derby, King George would be an awful prep for the Arc. It's also pretty clear the Arc was not the ultimate objective this season. I don't think he had one given they ran him on the fcuking dirt in Dubai. The horse has just defied expectahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554694529#554694529Derby, Irish Derby, King George would be an awful prep for the Arc. It's also pretty clear the Arc was not the ultimate objective this season. I don't think he had one given they ran him on the fcuking dirt in Dubai. The horse has just defied expectaWed, 06 Jun 2018 15:31:02 -0500Bobbyjo,Correct on the top line.As for Camelot, i've posted several times that running him on very soft grund in the Irish Derby ruined the horse, he was never the same again, and it cost Coolmore a triple crown winner for little positive reward.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554694269#554694269Bobbyjo,Correct on the top line.As for Camelot, i've posted several times that running him on very soft grund in the Irish Derby ruined the horse, he was never the same again, and it cost Coolmore a triple crown winner for little positive reward.Wed, 06 Jun 2018 15:02:40 -0500The other two ran in the Irish Derby but didn't win it - ROTW & WOEI'm probably an old cynic Andrew but since the tax break the Irish Government gave Stud Farm owners 20 odd years ago there did seem to be a quid pro quo from certain owners. It's gonehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554694079#554694079The other two ran in the Irish Derby but didn't win it - ROTW & WOEI'm probably an old cynic Andrew but since the tax break the Irish Government gave Stud Farm owners 20 odd years ago there did seem to be a quid pro quo from certain owners. It's goneWed, 06 Jun 2018 14:40:15 -0500Bobbyjo,I thought there was an unwritten rule that AOB sent his best middle distance colt - i.e a Derby winner, to the Irish Derby. So the days of that double are more likely than ever ?I'm not aware of an unwritten rule, but looking at records therehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554693891#554693891Bobbyjo,I thought there was an unwritten rule that AOB sent his best middle distance colt - i.e a Derby winner, to the Irish Derby. So the days of that double are more likely than ever ?I'm not aware of an unwritten rule, but looking at records thereWed, 06 Jun 2018 14:20:23 -0500Eclipse 7th July.Juddmonte International 22nd Aug.As he has been on the go since March, rest until English Champion Stakes 22nd Oct.As he goes well fresh and needs a proper time to recover, no Arc run as less than two weeks between races this year.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/31398419/masar?post_id=554693351#554693351Eclipse 7th July.Juddmonte International 22nd Aug.As he has been on the go since March, rest until English Champion Stakes 22nd Oct.As he goes well fresh and needs a proper time to recover, no Arc run as less than two weeks between races this year.Wed, 06 Jun 2018 13:27:26 -0500