New Posts For Thread: Epsom DERBY 2016https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016Probable winner/s and opinions please.well below average derby. none of these will be winning Gr1 races against other generationshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548956821#548956821well below average derby. none of these will be winning Gr1 races against other generationsThu, 09 Jun 2016 12:18:33 -0500That said - I wouldn't rule out some of the AO'B runners making a good effort in weaker (US Turf etc..) races than the KG / Arc / 10f championship raceshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548950349#548950349That said - I wouldn't rule out some of the AO'B runners making a good effort in weaker (US Turf etc..) races than the KG / Arc / 10f championship racesWed, 08 Jun 2016 17:00:59 -0500I'd agree with that sentiment - probably Harzand, simply because he found again for pressure, was the only one to make any real positive impression at the level you'd expect of these horses - i.e. in terms of the Eclipse / International / Champ Stakehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548950267#548950267I'd agree with that sentiment - probably Harzand, simply because he found again for pressure, was the only one to make any real positive impression at the level you'd expect of these horses - i.e. in terms of the Eclipse / International / Champ StakeWed, 08 Jun 2016 16:54:42 -0500Sint, At First Sight was probably not the best comparison I could've made, but there were others like Masterofthehorse and Astrology. That is just from the O'Brien yard but there have been plenty of other placed horses in the Derby that didn't do muchttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548949401#548949401Sint, At First Sight was probably not the best comparison I could've made, but there were others like Masterofthehorse and Astrology. That is just from the O'Brien yard but there have been plenty of other placed horses in the Derby that didn't do mucWed, 08 Jun 2016 16:10:08 -0500his temperament is a concern though as he sweated up badly which suggests a horse that is stressed . he does have scope .the worry is he may become muleishhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548949195#548949195his temperament is a concern though as he sweated up badly which suggests a horse that is stressed . he does have scope .the worry is he may become muleishWed, 08 Jun 2016 16:00:53 -0500Figgis 07 Jun 16 12:19 Joined: 28 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 5,957 | Blogger: Figgis's blogPersonally I don't take Idaho as one to follow from the race. I've read that he went too soon and could do even better in future but for me he was just another O'https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548949017#548949017Figgis 07 Jun 16 12:19 Joined: 28 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 5,957 | Blogger: Figgis's blogPersonally I don't take Idaho as one to follow from the race. I've read that he went too soon and could do even better in future but for me he was just another O'Wed, 08 Jun 2016 15:49:13 -0500lots of horses have crooked spines, I'm sure humans do too .. but I can't say I've ever seen the variation in the human population in terms of conformational defects that are so regular in the thoroughbred world (maybe it's the closed book ..)https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548948931#548948931lots of horses have crooked spines, I'm sure humans do too .. but I can't say I've ever seen the variation in the human population in terms of conformational defects that are so regular in the thoroughbred world (maybe it's the closed book ..)Wed, 08 Jun 2016 15:40:21 -0500There are lots of examples, but here is one that explains why some horses have to go one way or the other:A horse's spine is curved clockwise (as you look from above, in the direction of travel), and the horse also has turned out nearside legs and ahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548948915#548948915There are lots of examples, but here is one that explains why some horses have to go one way or the other:A horse's spine is curved clockwise (as you look from above, in the direction of travel), and the horse also has turned out nearside legs and aWed, 08 Jun 2016 15:38:08 -0500In an ideal world what Sandown said is true, but in the real world it doesn't bear out. Right-handed horses can be taught to corner left-handed effectively enough, but are weak when askede to switch to a left-lead off a right-handed corner. It dependhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548948821#548948821In an ideal world what Sandown said is true, but in the real world it doesn't bear out. Right-handed horses can be taught to corner left-handed effectively enough, but are weak when askede to switch to a left-lead off a right-handed corner. It dependWed, 08 Jun 2016 15:30:55 -0500If DB did have a problem handling LH courses it would be because he had a problem changing from a right lead to a left lead. I've never heard any Starkey, Eddery, Harwood comment on this; surely they would have done if had been so. Most horses, likehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30677927/epsom-derby-2016?post_id=548942889#548942889If DB did have a problem handling LH courses it would be because he had a problem changing from a right lead to a left lead. I've never heard any Starkey, Eddery, Harwood comment on this; surely they would have done if had been so. Most horses, likeWed, 08 Jun 2016 03:58:50 -0500