New Posts For Thread: Prince of Wales´s Stakeshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakesI said after the Arc that it would be interesting to see if Treve would remain so highly rated this year when she'd be meeting older horses at the peak of their powers in truly run races without the benefit of the wfa allowance and that I'd be lookin*Given a rating of 130 when in receipt of 8lbshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540040745#540040745*Given a rating of 130 when in receipt of 8lbsThu, 19 Jun 2014 08:52:26 -0500The point being made is that when a 3yo is given a rating of 130 it's really only achieved a rating of 122 in real terms. For it to achieve the same rating as a 4yo it needs to improve 8lbs in real terms, many don't.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540040727#540040727The point being made is that when a 3yo is given a rating of 130 it's really only achieved a rating of 122 in real terms. For it to achieve the same rating as a 4yo it needs to improve 8lbs in real terms, many don't.Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:51:29 -0500Not this can't believe we're talking about allowances again some of the great performances in history haver been by horses gettign weight from the others Dancing Brave, Sea Bird, Nijinksy, Generous, Mill Reef, etc. These horse didn't look great justhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540040549#540040549Not this can't believe we're talking about allowances again some of the great performances in history haver been by horses gettign weight from the others Dancing Brave, Sea Bird, Nijinksy, Generous, Mill Reef, etc. These horse didn't look great justThu, 19 Jun 2014 08:44:33 -0500do accept the point about the three year old filly allowance for the race much too lenient .https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540039211#540039211do accept the point about the three year old filly allowance for the race much too lenient .Thu, 19 Jun 2014 07:22:32 -0500Stick 8lbs on her back in last years Arc she would have still won it wellNo doubt at all, but it all depends how highly you rate the actual form of that race and how likely you think it would be repeated. Would she really have been that superior in ahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540039161#540039161Stick 8lbs on her back in last years Arc she would have still won it wellNo doubt at all, but it all depends how highly you rate the actual form of that race and how likely you think it would be repeated. Would she really have been that superior in aThu, 19 Jun 2014 07:19:16 -0500Treve was so superior to anything last season that I really don't feel she needs to have improved to be winning G1's as a 4yo. She ran well against Cirrus in deep ground and I just don't think she was right yesterday. Stick 8lbs on her back in last yhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540039057#540039057Treve was so superior to anything last season that I really don't feel she needs to have improved to be winning G1's as a 4yo. She ran well against Cirrus in deep ground and I just don't think she was right yesterday. Stick 8lbs on her back in last yThu, 19 Jun 2014 07:09:05 -0500She did receive 8lbs from Wild Coco.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540038883#540038883She did receive 8lbs from Wild Coco.Thu, 19 Jun 2014 06:50:14 -0500People are just remembering her Arc win, forgetting she won just as impressively in the Vermeille and Prix Diane where allowances have little or no relevance.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540038793#540038793People are just remembering her Arc win, forgetting she won just as impressively in the Vermeille and Prix Diane where allowances have little or no relevance.Thu, 19 Jun 2014 06:40:18 -0500Agree with Roadrunner , probably had a hard enough race against Cirus last time and found ground a bit firm yesterday, Frankie looked after her , no use of the whip ? long way to go to October .https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540037383#540037383Agree with Roadrunner , probably had a hard enough race against Cirus last time and found ground a bit firm yesterday, Frankie looked after her , no use of the whip ? long way to go to October .Thu, 19 Jun 2014 03:51:04 -0500so you think the allowance made her look better than she really was thought treve delivered an amazing performance in the arc and easily had the best form coming into that race. so far has been unbackable at the prices and has lost nothing in defeathttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30286341/prince-of-waless-stakes?post_id=540037339#540037339so you think the allowance made her look better than she really was thought treve delivered an amazing performance in the arc and easily had the best form coming into that race. so far has been unbackable at the prices and has lost nothing in defeatThu, 19 Jun 2014 03:38:46 -0500