New Posts For Thread: THE DERBY 2014https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014Thought it was about time we had a proper Derby thread with the Guineas and Derby trials now just weeks away.At the moment the head of the market looks like this-Australia 5/2Kingston Hill 10/1True Story 14/1Western Hymn 16/1Geoffrey Chaucer 16/1EctoI`d heard Australia was definitely going for the EclipseGlad he opted for the easier option.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=540162345#540162345I`d heard Australia was definitely going for the EclipseGlad he opted for the easier option.Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:51:08 -0500You have to consider the trainers here also. KH is Roger Varian's first Derby horse, and first real Group 1 horse, so it remains to be seen how he can manage to keep the horse consistent and competing throughout the season. He may do that with aplombhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=540149923#540149923You have to consider the trainers here also. KH is Roger Varian's first Derby horse, and first real Group 1 horse, so it remains to be seen how he can manage to keep the horse consistent and competing throughout the season. He may do that with aplombWed, 25 Jun 2014 11:43:42 -0500A reasonable question to ask, I guess. Whether I would be keen to, I don't know, but at the prices all other things being equal, then imo the value lies with KH. However, I suspect that the ground, pace & tactics at the Curragh will suit Australia mohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=540144285#540144285A reasonable question to ask, I guess. Whether I would be keen to, I don't know, but at the prices all other things being equal, then imo the value lies with KH. However, I suspect that the ground, pace & tactics at the Curragh will suit Australia moWed, 25 Jun 2014 05:22:32 -0500I found that oz ran like its SP i.e a 6/4 shot whereas KH ran like a 5/2 chance so in that sense it had greater value and represented each way value. I didn't rate it a 5/2 shot incidently but I did see it as being value and had a small ew bet on it.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=540142179#540142179I found that oz ran like its SP i.e a 6/4 shot whereas KH ran like a 5/2 chance so in that sense it had greater value and represented each way value. I didn't rate it a 5/2 shot incidently but I did see it as being value and had a small ew bet on it.Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:55:14 -0500They are big supporters of the race, so if its the Ire Derby (granted fast ground) then so be it. Would have preferred to see him over 10f at Sandown myself.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=540040509#540040509They are big supporters of the race, so if its the Ire Derby (granted fast ground) then so be it. Would have preferred to see him over 10f at Sandown myself.Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:42:44 -0500Aidan ‏@Aidan_m_ 7mAustralia confirmed a runner in the Irish Derby by Aidan O'Brien provided the ground remains good or quicker according to the RP.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=540037069#540037069Aidan ‏@Aidan_m_ 7mAustralia confirmed a runner in the Irish Derby by Aidan O'Brien provided the ground remains good or quicker according to the RP.Thu, 19 Jun 2014 02:40:45 -0500Same here. I only take a casual interest in American racing. When I think of how long it's taken me to pick up on certain nuances involved in our racing that can give you an edge how can I expect to compete against local punters with years of knowledhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=539880899#539880899Same here. I only take a casual interest in American racing. When I think of how long it's taken me to pick up on certain nuances involved in our racing that can give you an edge how can I expect to compete against local punters with years of knowledWed, 11 Jun 2014 09:12:52 -0500Yes some races you just don't get a feel for, I tried looking at the belmont stakes the other day and just didn't know where to start. Didn't know the horses, course, trainers, breeding or anything so quickly gave up. .https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=539880625#539880625Yes some races you just don't get a feel for, I tried looking at the belmont stakes the other day and just didn't know where to start. Didn't know the horses, course, trainers, breeding or anything so quickly gave up. .Wed, 11 Jun 2014 08:59:04 -0500SG, I suppose I'm just not that interested in races like the Cambridgeshire from a betting point of view. I prefer to concentrate on races that appeal to me and I know I can get something from overall. If I was putting effort into races like the Cambhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=539880245#539880245SG, I suppose I'm just not that interested in races like the Cambridgeshire from a betting point of view. I prefer to concentrate on races that appeal to me and I know I can get something from overall. If I was putting effort into races like the CambWed, 11 Jun 2014 08:41:48 -0500I think you should always be looking to improve your methods even if you are making a good living from the game,Figgis I notice you say you didn't do well on races like the cambridgeshire, so you could try other methods on that race though given howhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/30245477/the-derby-2014?post_id=539879917#539879917I think you should always be looking to improve your methods even if you are making a good living from the game,Figgis I notice you say you didn't do well on races like the cambridgeshire, so you could try other methods on that race though given howWed, 11 Jun 2014 08:24:55 -0500