New Posts For Thread: R.Ascot : RPR & TS - I must have been rating a different R.Ascothttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascotIt took some days for the RP to compile all the TS ratings (out now) whilst the RPR's were out earlier so it was one of those occasions when I could happily work out my figures without being influenced in any way.My conclusion is that I must have beethink a lot of Al Kazeem's form rests on how high you rate Camelot.Personally don't rate Camelot at all and think one of the biggest hype jobs Coolmore ever produced. Ran possibly one decent figure in the Derby (115), but not given him timefigure ofhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533688749#533688749think a lot of Al Kazeem's form rests on how high you rate Camelot.Personally don't rate Camelot at all and think one of the biggest hype jobs Coolmore ever produced. Ran possibly one decent figure in the Derby (115), but not given him timefigure ofSun, 07 Jul 2013 06:17:43 -0500Oh actually it looks like the handicapper has rated the Ascot race through The Fugue's 116. Despite that horse having been given far too much to do on sectionals and was having first race of season.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533688329#533688329Oh actually it looks like the handicapper has rated the Ascot race through The Fugue's 116. Despite that horse having been given far too much to do on sectionals and was having first race of season.Sun, 07 Jul 2013 05:38:12 -0500AK getting damned with faint praise.This is a very good horse that is improving with every race. Considering that it was arguably not his best distance, certainly not his best ground, he hosed up yesterday. He has speed, stamina and guts.I think he ihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533688179#533688179AK getting damned with faint praise.This is a very good horse that is improving with every race. Considering that it was arguably not his best distance, certainly not his best ground, he hosed up yesterday. He has speed, stamina and guts.I think he iSun, 07 Jul 2013 05:22:57 -0500the bha figures look too high to me. Al Kazeem a 126 horse going into eclipse, Mukhadram a 125 horse and Miblish a 116 horse, that's miles out. Miblish can only be 104/5 max Mukhadram 114. Al Kazeem I have on a 119 after sectional adjustment at ascothttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533688165#533688165the bha figures look too high to me. Al Kazeem a 126 horse going into eclipse, Mukhadram a 125 horse and Miblish a 116 horse, that's miles out. Miblish can only be 104/5 max Mukhadram 114. Al Kazeem I have on a 119 after sectional adjustment at ascotSun, 07 Jul 2013 05:21:51 -0500looking at database, actually have him only 5-6lbs behind Orfevre, but bit more behind Intello (8*, notional figure) and Treve (11*), but as you say maybe Al Kazeem can go quicker yet.One thing for sure, had the 3yos as a poor bunch bar Dawan Approachttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533687649#533687649looking at database, actually have him only 5-6lbs behind Orfevre, but bit more behind Intello (8*, notional figure) and Treve (11*), but as you say maybe Al Kazeem can go quicker yet.One thing for sure, had the 3yos as a poor bunch bar Dawan ApproacSun, 07 Jul 2013 04:23:41 -0500Yes, I agree, after watching the race again I can see the pace was steady for most of the way. Maybe he's better than we're giving him credit for and he's capable of running faster if needed. Like you, though, I'm against him when he faces stronger ihttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533682961#533682961Yes, I agree, after watching the race again I can see the pace was steady for most of the way. Maybe he's better than we're giving him credit for and he's capable of running faster if needed. Like you, though, I'm against him when he faces stronger iSat, 06 Jul 2013 19:26:12 -0500agree Figgis, just a modest gallop produced a slow time for a Group 1. They're a poor bunch imo and though he keeps winning, don't have Al Kazeem anywhere near Arc standard.Visually, thought the pace was slow in the first half, they were racing all ohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533682329#533682329agree Figgis, just a modest gallop produced a slow time for a Group 1. They're a poor bunch imo and though he keeps winning, don't have Al Kazeem anywhere near Arc standard.Visually, thought the pace was slow in the first half, they were racing all oSat, 06 Jul 2013 18:40:22 -0500Pedrobob, well your 4lbs was much closer to the result than my 1lb. How do you rate today's race? My immediate reaction was I must've underestimated the POW but I find it difficult to rate the Eclipse any higher than below average, which is surprisinhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533675045#533675045Pedrobob, well your 4lbs was much closer to the result than my 1lb. How do you rate today's race? My immediate reaction was I must've underestimated the POW but I find it difficult to rate the Eclipse any higher than below average, which is surprisinSat, 06 Jul 2013 12:45:22 -0500Ped, I can understand that, though. After repeated viewings of the Curragh race I'm not convinced it was as slow run as the comparative times suggest, so, rightly or wrongly, I made some adjustments for wind, as I often do for the Curragh.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533666605#533666605Ped, I can understand that, though. After repeated viewings of the Curragh race I'm not convinced it was as slow run as the comparative times suggest, so, rightly or wrongly, I made some adjustments for wind, as I often do for the Curragh.Sat, 06 Jul 2013 07:33:43 -0500ironically, I have the Curragh as a slow racehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29981913/rascot-rpr-ts---i-must-have-been-rating-a-different-rascot?post_id=533666471#533666471ironically, I have the Curragh as a slow raceSat, 06 Jul 2013 07:24:15 -0500