New Posts For Thread: Japan Cup 2012https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012Orfevre has been given the widest draw again! Should be a cracking race Sunday and looks very competitive, backed Rulership and Jakk's EW, Arc runners haven't got a great record in the race which has put me off the monster for this race. He should wiInteresting that the best performances by Japanese horses in the Arc have been on very soft ground which they rarely get at home . El Condor Pasa , Nakayama Festa and Orfevre are all cases in pointhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526410599#526410599Interesting that the best performances by Japanese horses in the Arc have been on very soft ground which they rarely get at home . El Condor Pasa , Nakayama Festa and Orfevre are all cases in pointTue, 27 Nov 2012 14:02:56 -0600An important consideration MM, is that the top races there are nearly always run on very fast, even firm ground. I've looked at the times recorded by Deep Impact and Orfevre over their careers and fast ground was key. Even when they post SOFT groundhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526397031#526397031An important consideration MM, is that the top races there are nearly always run on very fast, even firm ground. I've looked at the times recorded by Deep Impact and Orfevre over their careers and fast ground was key. Even when they post SOFT groundTue, 27 Nov 2012 03:18:58 -0600Gentildonna! The quality of Japanese horses should not be underestimated now and even more so in the future. They are breeding some brilliant racehorses and doing it the right way. I love the fact that their big races are so competitive and when thehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526387841#526387841Gentildonna! The quality of Japanese horses should not be underestimated now and even more so in the future. They are breeding some brilliant racehorses and doing it the right way. I love the fact that their big races are so competitive and when theMon, 26 Nov 2012 15:27:18 -0600Gentildonna's win today shows that the Japanese fillies look a very good bunch! It's always difficult to weigh up the Japanese 3 year old form but her performance today has made me even more confident Pixie Princess (4 year old) could be a major forchttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526364937#526364937Gentildonna's win today shows that the Japanese fillies look a very good bunch! It's always difficult to weigh up the Japanese 3 year old form but her performance today has made me even more confident Pixie Princess (4 year old) could be a major forcSun, 25 Nov 2012 16:15:15 -0600Nice win...very very lucky the stewards didn't award it to Orfevre. very close thing.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526353441#526353441Nice win...very very lucky the stewards didn't award it to Orfevre. very close thing.Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:11:05 -0600We should be starting an Arc 2013 thread soon. It could get exciting.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526350997#526350997We should be starting an Arc 2013 thread soon. It could get exciting.Sun, 25 Nov 2012 07:06:34 -0600I didn't realise Gentildonna won, started watching the KP show. Well done Gooner and all Gentildonna backers. Orfevre unlucky again but would have been harsh on Gentildonna losing the race!https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526346887#526346887I didn't realise Gentildonna won, started watching the KP show. Well done Gooner and all Gentildonna backers. Orfevre unlucky again but would have been harsh on Gentildonna losing the race!Sun, 25 Nov 2012 01:27:17 -0600Two Triple Crown winners going head to head, tough call this one! It will be harsh on Gentildonna if she loses the race but Iwata is comical in the saddle and his style of riding probably caused most of the problems. Orfevre literally bumped into anohttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526346857#526346857Two Triple Crown winners going head to head, tough call this one! It will be harsh on Gentildonna if she loses the race but Iwata is comical in the saddle and his style of riding probably caused most of the problems. Orfevre literally bumped into anoSun, 25 Nov 2012 01:23:00 -0600Good call on Gentildonna folks- She gave Orfevre a sideways knock at about the furlong pole but she was flying- Best horse (Filly) won the race in my opinion and the stewards did right to keep it as is. Jockey's stylings leave a little to be desiredhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526346783#526346783Good call on Gentildonna folks- She gave Orfevre a sideways knock at about the furlong pole but she was flying- Best horse (Filly) won the race in my opinion and the stewards did right to keep it as is. Jockey's stylings leave a little to be desiredSun, 25 Nov 2012 01:12:29 -06002012 Japan Cup (G1) - comments from Japanese runners' connectionsInfo taken from japanracing.jpBeat Black(5yo, horse)Hitoshi Nakamura (trainer)"In his last race, he got blocked in just when we needed to make a move. He got pushed back to about sixthhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29505373/japan-cup-2012?post_id=526324947#5263249472012 Japan Cup (G1) - comments from Japanese runners' connectionsInfo taken from japanracing.jpBeat Black(5yo, horse)Hitoshi Nakamura (trainer)"In his last race, he got blocked in just when we needed to make a move. He got pushed back to about sixthSat, 24 Nov 2012 08:01:58 -0600