New Posts For Thread: Balloting out in Handicapshttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicapsI was interested to read that Horse Racing Ireland have (for some jumps races at least) altered the system for balloting out excess entries to exclude the lowest rated horses rather than the lowest weighted, thus eliminating the bias against the chanroobuck - I very much appreciate your point. Like you I hate to see exposed older handicappers being 'run ragged' by unexposed 3yos who have 'beaten the handicapper'. I can see that the (still irrational) more restricted access for 3yos to all-aged hhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523544515#523544515roobuck - I very much appreciate your point. Like you I hate to see exposed older handicappers being 'run ragged' by unexposed 3yos who have 'beaten the handicapper'. I can see that the (still irrational) more restricted access for 3yos to all-aged hTue, 28 Aug 2012 18:00:59 -0500Phil Smiths handicapping techniques might also be a factor in the last 10 yr stats for 3yos in comparison to the 80s & 90s which 4 the record i concur with ! I dont have any stats prior to 1980 but would be interested to know if it's a similar story.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523536089#523536089Phil Smiths handicapping techniques might also be a factor in the last 10 yr stats for 3yos in comparison to the 80s & 90s which 4 the record i concur with ! I dont have any stats prior to 1980 but would be interested to know if it's a similar story.Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:24:16 -0500aft - I never doubted your thoughts on this. I started off simply playing devil's advocate in the name of debate but the more I have thought about it, I am comfortable in truly believing in what I wrote. I simply think that 3yos need to earn the righhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523533859#523533859aft - I never doubted your thoughts on this. I started off simply playing devil's advocate in the name of debate but the more I have thought about it, I am comfortable in truly believing in what I wrote. I simply think that 3yos need to earn the righTue, 28 Aug 2012 13:22:12 -0500Hi roobuck - I am sorry that I am not sufficiently knowledgable of the current 3yo scene to be able to offer names to you, but I believe that there would have been at least several (95-107) 3yos entered if the balloting system was more rational. Of chttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523531999#523531999Hi roobuck - I am sorry that I am not sufficiently knowledgable of the current 3yo scene to be able to offer names to you, but I believe that there would have been at least several (95-107) 3yos entered if the balloting system was more rational. Of cTue, 28 Aug 2012 12:24:17 -0500Yes Liam - Clerkenwell won back in 1996 off a mark of 95 when the bottom weight was 7-10 (82) and Tuning won in 1998. It is astonishing to note that there has been not one 3yo winner of the Ebor in the last ten years, but in the preceding 11 years thhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523528995#523528995Yes Liam - Clerkenwell won back in 1996 off a mark of 95 when the bottom weight was 7-10 (82) and Tuning won in 1998. It is astonishing to note that there has been not one 3yo winner of the Ebor in the last ten years, but in the preceding 11 years thTue, 28 Aug 2012 10:55:53 -0500I agreed at the time about horses rated 106-108 - but this year what horses fell into that category?You mention three horses, 2 of which would not have got in even if you used their current marks so they would not have been able to run. Indeed Sir Grhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523525009#523525009I agreed at the time about horses rated 106-108 - but this year what horses fell into that category?You mention three horses, 2 of which would not have got in even if you used their current marks so they would not have been able to run. Indeed Sir GrTue, 28 Aug 2012 08:51:42 -0500Fergal steered Clerkenwell home for Sheikh Mo, it was Tuning i was thinking of ridden by Fallon for HRAC ! Lets not forget Mediterranean also won it as a 3yo, u gotta love Wiki Phttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523524901#523524901Fergal steered Clerkenwell home for Sheikh Mo, it was Tuning i was thinking of ridden by Fallon for HRAC ! Lets not forget Mediterranean also won it as a 3yo, u gotta love Wiki PTue, 28 Aug 2012 08:47:12 -0500I remember one Fergal Lynch steering home a 3yo in the ebor in Prince Khalids silks, how did that get in !?! Have the rules been changed or are there just alot more horses arond the 100 mark being aimed at these 'Heritage' hcaps ? Honolulu finished 2https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523524523#523524523I remember one Fergal Lynch steering home a 3yo in the ebor in Prince Khalids silks, how did that get in !?! Have the rules been changed or are there just alot more horses arond the 100 mark being aimed at these 'Heritage' hcaps ? Honolulu finished 2Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:34:13 -0500Your reference to the Melrose is apposite as the proximity of the two races highlights the insanity of the current arrangement. As you say, none of the runners in the Melrose would have got into the Ebor. Indeed 'adamski' has already noted that to quhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523522941#523522941Your reference to the Melrose is apposite as the proximity of the two races highlights the insanity of the current arrangement. As you say, none of the runners in the Melrose would have got into the Ebor. Indeed 'adamski' has already noted that to quTue, 28 Aug 2012 07:31:15 -0500Not one horse that ran in the Melrose would have got in the Ebor on their ratings.So please name the 3yos that were ballotted out that perhaps should have got a runhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/29260631/balloting-out-in-handicaps?post_id=523520437#523520437Not one horse that ran in the Melrose would have got in the Ebor on their ratings.So please name the 3yos that were ballotted out that perhaps should have got a runTue, 28 Aug 2012 05:15:24 -0500