New Posts For Thread: Nathaniel underestimated by Gosden?https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosdenI was seriously impressed with this horse today and the first thing that sprung to mind was he could've won the Derby. I know he missed the race for the firm ground but ran Treasure Beach to a head and won maiden by 9l on that ground. I know Gosden tThe race fell in his lap on Saturday. Looks a very poor price indeed for the Arc, particularly as that race is usually run on decent ground and he is much better on soft. Pour Moi and Meandre have it between them, in my humble opinion.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503460749#503460749The race fell in his lap on Saturday. Looks a very poor price indeed for the Arc, particularly as that race is usually run on decent ground and he is much better on soft. Pour Moi and Meandre have it between them, in my humble opinion.Mon, 25 Jul 2011 02:29:02 -0500Lucky that Gosden saw this threadhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503443833#503443833Lucky that Gosden saw this threadSun, 24 Jul 2011 19:07:08 -0500Sintonian, There's no rule that you have to break your maiden by a certain date to enter the Arc. Red Rock Canyon ran in the 2008 Arc and was still a maiden. I think Gosden was meaning he didn't think an entry was justified at that time. Even after thttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503441505#503441505Sintonian, There's no rule that you have to break your maiden by a certain date to enter the Arc. Red Rock Canyon ran in the 2008 Arc and was still a maiden. I think Gosden was meaning he didn't think an entry was justified at that time. Even after tSun, 24 Jul 2011 18:23:44 -0500Sint, I have Sarafina only on 89 at the weights, the way she wins her races though with a late burst I couldn't be sure I have her measure, she could be capable of better. Trev, I have Meandre on 95 at the weights, I wasn't as impressed as some werehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503415549#503415549Sint, I have Sarafina only on 89 at the weights, the way she wins her races though with a late burst I couldn't be sure I have her measure, she could be capable of better. Trev, I have Meandre on 95 at the weights, I wasn't as impressed as some wereSun, 24 Jul 2011 12:49:49 -0500I've only recently factored in weight for age and weight carried ... my lifetime ratings for Frankel with weight carried and WFA at the time of the races are in series:- 90,98,88,96 - 83,99,95 whereas Canfords highest is 91 (quite a few times)I've hahttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503413405#503413405I've only recently factored in weight for age and weight carried ... my lifetime ratings for Frankel with weight carried and WFA at the time of the races are in series:- 90,98,88,96 - 83,99,95 whereas Canfords highest is 91 (quite a few times)I've haSun, 24 Jul 2011 12:25:42 -0500I don't mean to imply that Frankel is 8lbs better than SYT, that's just the resulting figure at the weights, I have him 2lbs higher than SYT, but that's very impressive for a 3yo.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503413021#503413021I don't mean to imply that Frankel is 8lbs better than SYT, that's just the resulting figure at the weights, I have him 2lbs higher than SYT, but that's very impressive for a 3yo.Sun, 24 Jul 2011 12:21:48 -0500SYT and Workforce are Eclipse figures, Nathaniel Royal Ascot, Pour Moi Derby. I factor in weight carried but not wfa. I'm not against the wfa scale (although I'd prefer it not to be used in championship races), that's the way it has to be done for ofhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503412133#503412133SYT and Workforce are Eclipse figures, Nathaniel Royal Ascot, Pour Moi Derby. I factor in weight carried but not wfa. I'm not against the wfa scale (although I'd prefer it not to be used in championship races), that's the way it has to be done for ofSun, 24 Jul 2011 12:11:07 -0500cheer figgis & grendel...i'm quite heavy into por moi & nathniel...so makes good reading from here.....would did you both think of meandre..fabres other horse...i think time test had him top rated in the outlookhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503411593#503411593cheer figgis & grendel...i'm quite heavy into por moi & nathniel...so makes good reading from here.....would did you both think of meandre..fabres other horse...i think time test had him top rated in the outlookSun, 24 Jul 2011 12:05:26 -0500I don't do french races sint, only Uk and Irelandhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503411281#503411281I don't do french races sint, only Uk and IrelandSun, 24 Jul 2011 12:02:17 -0500what do you have for Sarafina chaps ..https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27800541/nathaniel-underestimated-by-gosden?post_id=503409733#503409733what do you have for Sarafina chaps ..Sun, 24 Jul 2011 11:45:15 -0500