New Posts For Thread: congratulations carlton house- 2011 derby winner.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winnerthe pedigree of this one screams middle distances.... burst through that gap impressively to put the one paced seville in his place.. will only improvefor the step up in trip and looks a magnificent stamp of a racehorse.. i won't hear of defeat for tWell I would have expected them to notice the difference, but then again, I would've expected Longchamp to notice that their 7f distance is obviously somewhat shorter than that. All I can say is if you have studied the course results for a number ofhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495673121#495673121Well I would have expected them to notice the difference, but then again, I would've expected Longchamp to notice that their 7f distance is obviously somewhat shorter than that. All I can say is if you have studied the course results for a number ofSat, 14 May 2011 05:25:49 -0500FiggisMystery solved. I've just checked the videos for both races ...and they seem to start from EXACTLY the same point and finish at the same post yet they use DIFFERENT distance descriptions. Beggars belief!!!https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495672849#495672849FiggisMystery solved. I've just checked the videos for both races ...and they seem to start from EXACTLY the same point and finish at the same post yet they use DIFFERENT distance descriptions. Beggars belief!!!Sat, 14 May 2011 05:21:04 -0500Something wrong here, Figgis. 110 yards equates to around 6 scs which is what you get.Even a blind man could tell whether the starting gate is further back or not unless they are on separate chutes. Do you know if this is the case? Otherwise how coulhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495672289#495672289Something wrong here, Figgis. 110 yards equates to around 6 scs which is what you get.Even a blind man could tell whether the starting gate is further back or not unless they are on separate chutes. Do you know if this is the case? Otherwise how coulSat, 14 May 2011 05:10:45 -05007 lbs sex allowance evenhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495671765#4956717657 lbs sex allowance evenSat, 14 May 2011 05:01:13 -0500SandownThat is of course assuming that those French distances are correct. My standards are based on actual final times recorded, which are then compared to the ability/form of the runners.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495671749#495671749SandownThat is of course assuming that those French distances are correct. My standards are based on actual final times recorded, which are then compared to the ability/form of the runners.Sat, 14 May 2011 05:01:05 -0500FiggisPM ran 10f in 123.02 averaging 12.30 secs p.fG ran 10.5f in 128.0 averaging 12.12 secs p.f.That's 1.8 secs diff at 10f roughly 9 lengths or say 15lbs.Even allowing for the 7lbs wfa how do you get PM 8lbs in front of G?https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495671417#495671417FiggisPM ran 10f in 123.02 averaging 12.30 secs p.fG ran 10.5f in 128.0 averaging 12.12 secs p.f.That's 1.8 secs diff at 10f roughly 9 lengths or say 15lbs.Even allowing for the 7lbs wfa how do you get PM 8lbs in front of G?Sat, 14 May 2011 04:53:10 -0500SandownI'm happy with my standards for Saint-Cloud and on final times I have Pour Moi 8lbs higher than Galikova.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495670537#495670537SandownI'm happy with my standards for Saint-Cloud and on final times I have Pour Moi 8lbs higher than Galikova.Sat, 14 May 2011 04:36:34 -0500Frankel won't stay. He barely stays a mile. 7f imo is his optimum trip but his class brings him through. If Henry was ever going to run him in the derby he would not have instructed to kick on and pretty much sprint most horses out of the race beforehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495669329#495669329Frankel won't stay. He barely stays a mile. 7f imo is his optimum trip but his class brings him through. If Henry was ever going to run him in the derby he would not have instructed to kick on and pretty much sprint most horses out of the race beforeSat, 14 May 2011 04:10:43 -0500eric-bananaI back approx 6 losers out of every 10 bets I place so picking out one of those from several years back is about as relevant to this discussion as saying, for the sake of argument, all of the other Derby losers I backed. More relevant woulhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495669213#495669213eric-bananaI back approx 6 losers out of every 10 bets I place so picking out one of those from several years back is about as relevant to this discussion as saying, for the sake of argument, all of the other Derby losers I backed. More relevant woulSat, 14 May 2011 04:08:15 -0500American Post was apparently 'value'.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/27603217/congratulations-carlton-house--2011-derby-winner?post_id=495668157#495668157American Post was apparently 'value'.Sat, 14 May 2011 03:39:23 -0500