New Posts For Thread: Timeform on Kauto v Arklehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkleIn this season's Chasers & Hurdlers.Respectable argument put forward from Timeform that 212 Arkle, 191 Kauto is as it is.Personally I think they have Arkle about right, but Kauto should be mid 190's. But no great quibbles.What struck me, in reading tI saw the Gallaher Gold Cup on ITV at the time it was run.I thought that the only film of the race had been destroyed in a massive housekeeping exercise by ITV, so I am pleased that other people now have the opportunity to view the race.Arkle was spehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471863709#471863709I saw the Gallaher Gold Cup on ITV at the time it was run.I thought that the only film of the race had been destroyed in a massive housekeeping exercise by ITV, so I am pleased that other people now have the opportunity to view the race.Arkle was speWed, 27 Oct 2010 11:27:59 -0500i was born in 1964 so never saw him race,although i can remember my dad coming home from work in tears and telling me arkle had died.ive read several books on him and seen the youtube videos so while im a massive kauto fan (the best ive ever seen onhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471741841#471741841i was born in 1964 so never saw him race,although i can remember my dad coming home from work in tears and telling me arkle had died.ive read several books on him and seen the youtube videos so while im a massive kauto fan (the best ive ever seen onTue, 26 Oct 2010 12:25:03 -0500Flyingbolt was unfortunately not quite as long lasting as Arkle having had only one season right at the top - but it was some season. A bit like the years that saw Mill Reef and brigadier Gerard. I think Timeform had Flyingbolt rated at 210. What ishttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471734321#471734321Flyingbolt was unfortunately not quite as long lasting as Arkle having had only one season right at the top - but it was some season. A bit like the years that saw Mill Reef and brigadier Gerard. I think Timeform had Flyingbolt rated at 210. What isTue, 26 Oct 2010 11:30:51 -0500the problem for any form student of Arkle is not that his form wasn't brilliant ; it's that he wasn't the best chaser of his era. he was joint best with flyingbolt . They never met on the racecourse because they were stablemates bu they did have idenhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471724861#471724861the problem for any form student of Arkle is not that his form wasn't brilliant ; it's that he wasn't the best chaser of his era. he was joint best with flyingbolt . They never met on the racecourse because they were stablemates bu they did have idenTue, 26 Oct 2010 10:12:19 -0500Buona Notte - Do you have anything to add on the Gallaher Gold Cup angle. I think you were on the thread I refer to above that I cannot find.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471719825#471719825Buona Notte - Do you have anything to add on the Gallaher Gold Cup angle. I think you were on the thread I refer to above that I cannot find.Tue, 26 Oct 2010 09:28:42 -0500Times for jumps races from Arkles' era when fences were harder to jump and there were usually more fences in a race than there are now ( e.g 24 in the Gold Cup compared to 21 in 2010) should result in slower times. What does stand comparison is thehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471718789#471718789Times for jumps races from Arkles' era when fences were harder to jump and there were usually more fences in a race than there are now ( e.g 24 in the Gold Cup compared to 21 in 2010) should result in slower times. What does stand comparison is theTue, 26 Oct 2010 09:20:36 -0500Awesome hearing the cheers at the finishing line, the "this is it" and "this is the best we've seen in a long time"..... and I was only (!!) born in 1974.Check out Arkles jumping in the Whitbread, especially the early fences: http://www.youtube.com/whttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471632829#471632829Awesome hearing the cheers at the finishing line, the "this is it" and "this is the best we've seen in a long time"..... and I was only (!!) born in 1974.Check out Arkles jumping in the Whitbread, especially the early fences: http://www.youtube.com/wMon, 25 Oct 2010 15:51:53 -0500Kauto Star is a fine horse, best of his time but comparisons with Arkle are just plain madness-Arkle a much better novice hurdler-better cheltnham horse (it may be idiosyncratic but it is the championship)-Arkle superior win record-Arkle winning handhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471605625#471605625Kauto Star is a fine horse, best of his time but comparisons with Arkle are just plain madness-Arkle a much better novice hurdler-better cheltnham horse (it may be idiosyncratic but it is the championship)-Arkle superior win record-Arkle winning handMon, 25 Oct 2010 12:14:14 -0500http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDNPTJs4PUhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471508237#471508237http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDNPTJs4PUSun, 24 Oct 2010 16:31:51 -0500The Gallaher Gold cup was shown on channel 4 a while back.What was amazing, quite aside from the simply monumental task Arkle had on form, conceding so much weight,and quite aside from the ludicrous time figure he did was the visual impact of his finhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/26119057/timeform-on-kauto-v-arkle?post_id=471464261#471464261The Gallaher Gold cup was shown on channel 4 a while back.What was amazing, quite aside from the simply monumental task Arkle had on form, conceding so much weight,and quite aside from the ludicrous time figure he did was the visual impact of his finSun, 24 Oct 2010 11:34:01 -0500