New Posts For Thread: Japanese raider Victoire Pisa for the Prix De l'arc De Triomphehttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triompheI have this feeling in my d i c k that Victoire Pisa is going to surprise a few at Longchamp this weekend.Taken the 80/1 that was available at the beginning of the week.Anyone else had that feeling?Had to attack when the horse hit 50s, the best bit of value I've seen for some time. If Moore was on board it would have been the perfect payday. Pretty depressed about it now stillhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468687729#468687729Had to attack when the horse hit 50s, the best bit of value I've seen for some time. If Moore was on board it would have been the perfect payday. Pretty depressed about it now stillSun, 03 Oct 2010 12:54:31 -0500great effort. We've got no real idea how good the Japanese horse are compared to ours bu they've had some good runs now in the Arc.https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468666285#468666285great effort. We've got no real idea how good the Japanese horse are compared to ours bu they've had some good runs now in the Arc.Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:15:32 -0500Angela, very unlucky. What a lovely pay out that would have been.Dare I ask why you put such a large bet on the horse--since it drifted from 25 to almost 50 just before the off?https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468664893#468664893Angela, very unlucky. What a lovely pay out that would have been.Dare I ask why you put such a large bet on the horse--since it drifted from 25 to almost 50 just before the off?Sun, 03 Oct 2010 10:05:56 -0500Back YourOddsYourStakeYourProfitNakayama Festa 48.92 £650.00 £31,150.00https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468661221#468661221Back YourOddsYourStakeYourProfitNakayama Festa 48.92 £650.00 £31,150.00Sun, 03 Oct 2010 09:42:47 -0500I've got a Stiffy, ...good sign i hope!https://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468632217#468632217I've got a Stiffy, ...good sign i hope!Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:21:00 -0500The comments regards the ground are a big positive. As reported, the ground will probably be very soft so those that are able to quicken out of it will fight out the finish.As for Yataka, I doubt he has learned. The guy is a class act and if he thinkhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468502737#468502737The comments regards the ground are a big positive. As reported, the ground will probably be very soft so those that are able to quicken out of it will fight out the finish.As for Yataka, I doubt he has learned. The guy is a class act and if he thinkSat, 02 Oct 2010 05:52:01 -0500To be honest i think the jockey gave the horse a pig of a ride in the Japanese Derby. if you see he is all over the place within the last 2 furlongs.The jockey was pushing and pushing within the last furlong as wasn't really getting a response...youhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468501953#468501953To be honest i think the jockey gave the horse a pig of a ride in the Japanese Derby. if you see he is all over the place within the last 2 furlongs.The jockey was pushing and pushing within the last furlong as wasn't really getting a response...youSat, 02 Oct 2010 05:43:01 -0500RozelKid,Whats your take on the Japanese Derby? Had he won that and then ran in the Niel just as he did, I'd probably be all over him. I like backing the foreign raiders in these type of Group Ones as more often than not, they are overpriced and evenhttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468495273#468495273RozelKid,Whats your take on the Japanese Derby? Had he won that and then ran in the Niel just as he did, I'd probably be all over him. I like backing the foreign raiders in these type of Group Ones as more often than not, they are overpriced and evenSat, 02 Oct 2010 04:36:58 -0500on the bare look of all of victoire's runs i can see why you came to the formbook conclusion.However, im not a form book mug and i believe that the horse's long term goal was always to come over to Longchamp's right handed track.If you just look athttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468493793#468493793on the bare look of all of victoire's runs i can see why you came to the formbook conclusion.However, im not a form book mug and i believe that the horse's long term goal was always to come over to Longchamp's right handed track.If you just look atSat, 02 Oct 2010 04:19:36 -0500As for the other Japanese raider, Nakayama Festa.....well the first thing I like to see from these foreign raiders, and I suppose in particular Japanese raiders where local racing is very competitive, is Classic form and even more importantly Classichttps://community.betfair.com/horse_antepost/go/thread/view/94098/25958089/japanese-raider-victoire-pisa-for-the-prix-de-larc-de-triomphe?post_id=468489429#468489429As for the other Japanese raider, Nakayama Festa.....well the first thing I like to see from these foreign raiders, and I suppose in particular Japanese raiders where local racing is very competitive, is Classic form and even more importantly ClassicSat, 02 Oct 2010 02:54:02 -0500