New Posts For Thread: FRANKELS sectionalshttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionalsHavent got ime to check if this is posted elsewhere . As reported today in the American racing press :Duel at the Downs? Decimation at the Downs is more like it.I had the pleasure of watching the race live via simulcast from Saratoga racecourse itselwould have made a difference to the distance he won by but not to the result.https://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=504071555#504071555would have made a difference to the distance he won by but not to the result.Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:38:54 -0500we see in the rematch, how closer it is,little things that make all the difference. imagine frankel carried 8lbs more than CC, do you think that would of made a difference??https://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503969641#503969641we see in the rematch, how closer it is,little things that make all the difference. imagine frankel carried 8lbs more than CC, do you think that would of made a difference??Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:56:30 -0500Yes totally agree that wfa had minimal effect on the result of the Sussex. It was partly down to CC being a bit below par, even though I think he's been a bit overrated I still think he's better than that. But it was largely due to Frankel simply beihttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503969633#503969633Yes totally agree that wfa had minimal effect on the result of the Sussex. It was partly down to CC being a bit below par, even though I think he's been a bit overrated I still think he's better than that. But it was largely due to Frankel simply beiMon, 01 Aug 2011 12:56:23 -0500WFA was very little do with CC getting beat, he wasn't beaten through getting tired, he was beaten because he couldn't run any faster. Frankel took lengths out of CC in a few strides and less weight on CC's back wouldn't have changed that a jot. Ifhttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503968707#503968707WFA was very little do with CC getting beat, he wasn't beaten through getting tired, he was beaten because he couldn't run any faster. Frankel took lengths out of CC in a few strides and less weight on CC's back wouldn't have changed that a jot. IfMon, 01 Aug 2011 12:37:28 -0500handicap system has been around for long time, pretty much every angle has been fine tuned, WFA was a major factor in CC getting beat like he did and running over to far rail, could argue that on level weights CC, running to form and straight could ohttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503964585#503964585handicap system has been around for long time, pretty much every angle has been fine tuned, WFA was a major factor in CC getting beat like he did and running over to far rail, could argue that on level weights CC, running to form and straight could oMon, 01 Aug 2011 11:04:21 -0500An easier way of me putting it would've been to say, some 3yos are already as good, or pretty close to as good as a top class 4yo. Which means that the 4yo would have to be some kind of super freak to concede the mid summer wfa allowance to them.https://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503961451#503961451An easier way of me putting it would've been to say, some 3yos are already as good, or pretty close to as good as a top class 4yo. Which means that the 4yo would have to be some kind of super freak to concede the mid summer wfa allowance to them.Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:54:27 -0500DesmondFair argument. I'm not completely against wfa, I just feel that it encourages us to crown horses as champions too early and leads to shorter careers. I also think that when you get a very good or precocious 3yo it is virtually impossible to cohttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503961293#503961293DesmondFair argument. I'm not completely against wfa, I just feel that it encourages us to crown horses as champions too early and leads to shorter careers. I also think that when you get a very good or precocious 3yo it is virtually impossible to coMon, 01 Aug 2011 09:50:01 -0500They've had a long time to get the WFA scale right though Figgis and although it's not perfect it's the probably best solution, given that it's presumably impossible to measure a horses precocity.That said, with the best (and following your argumenthttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503959637#503959637They've had a long time to get the WFA scale right though Figgis and although it's not perfect it's the probably best solution, given that it's presumably impossible to measure a horses precocity.That said, with the best (and following your argumentMon, 01 Aug 2011 09:11:28 -0500COTThe point, though, is that some 3yos are very precocious, meaning that as a 3yo they have a tremendous advantage on wfa terms, which they may never be able to replicate as a 4yo. This means that they are celebrated as a champion at 3, but then pachttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503956047#503956047COTThe point, though, is that some 3yos are very precocious, meaning that as a 3yo they have a tremendous advantage on wfa terms, which they may never be able to replicate as a 4yo. This means that they are celebrated as a champion at 3, but then pacMon, 01 Aug 2011 07:38:27 -0500I cannot have the reference to weight for age as an excuse for beaten horses.The reason there is weight for age is so that the 3yo's have the same chance as the 4yo's according to their ability.If you had a 15 year old lad running against a 26 year ohttps://community.betfair.com/guineas2011/go/thread/view/121617/28080081/frankels-sectionals?post_id=503951391#503951391I cannot have the reference to weight for age as an excuse for beaten horses.The reason there is weight for age is so that the 3yo's have the same chance as the 4yo's according to their ability.If you had a 15 year old lad running against a 26 year oMon, 01 Aug 2011 04:47:16 -0500