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By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 13 Jun 15 22:11
agree with patrick starr
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 13 Jun 15 22:11
Tonight.  Ten + dogs have been knocked over before tonight.  It's been a theme throughout and nobody has even mentioned it until tonight!
By:
patrick starr
When: 13 Jun 15 22:17
i actually thought boyneside looked lame at the drop also,will have to watch it back but watching it first time i felt he was lame
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 13 Jun 15 22:27
i would  not let the racing manager or his groundstaff water my window box how could they put so much water down with storms forecast
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 13 Jun 15 22:33
Blue Cafu
Ashburn Lark
More Ideas
Oakvale Runble
Bubbly King
Loughteen Eoin
Swift Hoffman
King Dec
Dusktildawn
Sidarian Blaze
Tinahue Pinto


All cattled at the first bend  and sadly two seriously injured - all before tonight's carnage.
Something needs to be done.  It's all very well keeping this all low key for fear of bad publicity and "antis" getting into overdrive but we have start doing something to prevent and stop it.
By:
patrick starr
When: 13 Jun 15 22:45
well done loyal,once again youre ahead of the game,after the event
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 13 Jun 15 22:49
No, I was way ahead of the game before you even mentioned it m8.  Detailed analysis all the way through.
Presumably you lost your dough tonight?
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 22:50
Fun ran on to the Drop Pat ,cant see it in replay But sure was still there at drop
By:
Winja
When: 13 Jun 15 22:51
greyhounds have been knocked over in racing incidents since they started running around bends......its a known risk........
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 22:52
I am usually on about Bias . Ward tragic but Im not sure what bias there was unless up the middle ?
By:
Winja
When: 13 Jun 15 22:53
poor track preparation on the other hand is another thing.....
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 22:53
I honestly didnt notice a Bias I thought Wides looked shyte early Heats ?
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 13 Jun 15 22:54
Agreed.  But this Derby has seen more than I can remember.  I can't remember the last time half a dozen greyhounds hit the rail at the first.  Winbledon was always ill-thought of by top trainers.  Very few top flight around White City bothered even to look at the place, such was the reputation of its first bend.  Sorry to offend 'don lovers and devotees but that is a historical fact.
By:
patrick starr
When: 13 Jun 15 22:58
yes case,he ran on to drop ok,i could well be wrong but as the dog was stood there at the drop i thought he was dipping as the lead was being put on,like i say i havent watched it back mate,will have to check that back later,was just a thought.

Loyal you couldnt be ahead of the game with tomorrows fkin newspaper imo.
By:
eyeball
When: 13 Jun 15 22:58
I agree with casemoney....didn't see any real bias on the graded......think the watering system is archaic and the third bend needs relaying....could possibly be the case for the first bend also .
By:
boosup
When: 13 Jun 15 22:58
Of course not; two totally different types of track to run. If any rails are going to be hit, brushed or shied away from it will be at the Don and not the WC.
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 22:59
17/25.01  29.38   thats the red in 1st graded won nothing wrong with that

Badmoods gone was running its race Ward Gone wrong what dogs have really under performed Keith fell out ?
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 23:00
OK pat I watched to drop he looked OK ,I didnt see him Standing Hope hes OK hes a lovely Dog Happy
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 23:03
I will say one thing who ever the **** installed the traps needs shooting they need to be a foot further out 1 is without doubt too close to rails did anyone fckin look at the plans Laugh
By:
patrick starr
When: 13 Jun 15 23:03
nice one eye and case,will watch it all back properly with your thoughts in mind lads,appreciated Happy
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 23:04
Badmoon gone wrong ,JT Berlin was going ok till the 3rd bend pile up Plain
By:
patrick starr
When: 13 Jun 15 23:15
case ive just watched that race back and i cant see anything at the drop now looking at it,dont know what i thought i seen at time but i cant see anything now looking back mate.
By:
casemoney
When: 13 Jun 15 23:31
Blitz early is mental ,and fun ran some race tonight Happy
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 14 Jun 15 07:44
at the time I thought Eden run was unreal

Watched few times now not so sure,

3-5 done him at the lids

Eden hit the rails and IMO if 5 wasn't there to stop him might of run off very wide towards the wall
Showed great middle to the eye , but we know now 3 was going lame at the time ,
2 coolvanny thing seem to esed to **** at 3rd
Than you have front pair 6 defo as floppy ear dog IMO
Blitzs had done his job was empty out !

Just not sure maybe being little harsh !!!
By:
woodmanchester
When: 14 Jun 15 07:57
Wouldnt say Blitz emptied Fatty, but so fast bound to get a little tired towards the end. Dont forget he didnt break again and did plenty of running before the bend to brush Yolo aside. Bit concerned about Evanta Fantasy on rails in quarters, with Blitz T2. Trap's fine for Blitz but Fantasy was edging off from T2 into Evita last night, so more pronounced wearing red and can break sharply. As said after the first round, all things being equal, nothing will lead Blitz to the bend, although Addy seemed to think otherwise Happy
By:
frank60
When: 14 Jun 15 15:02
The irish derby should be something else this year , Laughil blake[last years winner] won by 12L last night AND Ballydoyle Honey [1/8 to the Oaks] looks very special, i hope our English friends will be bringing some of there best dogs as well. Eden the kid to win the English derby best outsider Paradise Maverik .
By:
Addy_D
When: 14 Jun 15 15:40
i agree about the surface, was thinking last night the ground has looked utter dead. the trap positioning is rancid, you cant bet a one dog with any confidence, the third bend is mental, if you have a dog behind running with pace into the third bend you're a big price to get through remotely unscathed, either they just get chopped off for going up the inner, or something else has already done that leading to all sorts of bunching and wall of dogs.

as a spectacle its certainly tainted it, and as a punting proposition i'm starting to doubt whether its worth taking early prices there in the week, any value you think you might be getting in the week can turn out to be a rancid bet come the night as frankly you're simply guessing about the state of the ground.
By:
FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK
When: 14 Jun 15 16:00
well you aint got to wait long addy where back again tuesdayWink
By:
Addy_D
When: 14 Jun 15 16:30
i know and ive done 7 out of the 8 races Crazy
By:
wondersobright
When: 14 Jun 15 16:38

Jun 14, 2015 -- 3:40PM, Addy_D wrote:


i agree about the surface, was thinking last night the ground has looked utter dead. the trap positioning is rancid, you cant bet a one dog with any confidence, the third bend is mental, if you have a dog behind running with pace into the third bend you're a big price to get through remotely unscathed, either they just get chopped off for going up the inner, or something else has already done that leading to all sorts of bunching and wall of dogs.as a spectacle its certainly tainted it, and as a punting proposition i'm starting to doubt whether its worth taking early prices there in the week, any value you think you might be getting in the week can turn out to be a rancid bet come the night as frankly you're simply guessing about the state of the ground.


100% spot on addy + patrick starr 10.09pm same

By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 15 Jun 15 01:13
    Blitz is in a soft heat, but is on the outside of a fast starting wide runner, could be a problem for the first 20 meters. cheers.

    BAIRN, ive bet on blitz and for me i would rather see him in trap 2 no matter whats inside, ok he got away with it on saturday after

    a not so good start, but i just dont have any confidence in backing anything in trap 1 . i am hoping hes got his trapping boots on

   come tuesday. btw, was it you that backed slippery fred a/P ???  iwas on as well !!!  never raised a gallop  LaughLaugh

   will go and win the irish derby now !!.  good luck anyway.  Happy
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 15 Jun 15 04:25
Ok Pat, but who's being obnoxious now?.  As Errol says, seemingly to everyone on here's disgust, "It's all about opinions".  You're entiled to yours.  You seem to me to be infected now with Clouseaus bile and invective but good luck to you - you at least have my respect.
My record is pretty good.  I don't bang on about it.  However, when I have gone out there with an in detail, opinion, based on analysis and painstaking research, I've tipped Sidaz Jack to win the Derby final and also, how he would win it - which was spot on, and, early in the Irish St Leger tipped up Lodnamon Bridie, and said how she would do it, at the very juicy odds of 25/1. All published on here - well in advance of the day after's newspapers!  Laugh  I also tipped up Ballymac Sinbad, to a couple of selected people on here, to win his first round heat. 10/1 - very nice indeed.
Here's my thoughts on the first two heats tomorrow - let's see how they go.

Heat 1.
Summary:  Evanta Fantasy (1)  would seem not to have too much more to offer than her early pace here, which has the potential to hamper Farloe Blitz (2), as she markedly steps out to the middle after lid-rise.  It is certainly difficult to see her sustain any sort of a run in this particular field, once mastered on the run down.  Farloe Blitz should however appreciate the move into the blue jacket and can certainly out run her, and outmuscle her if needs be, to the bend. We are of course assuming that he can reproduce his recent running after such a short rest period – always dangerous with wickedly fast early pacers.  He looked to draw up a little quickly at the bend after the line so may be a tired dog already – certainly not a long odds on shot here, that’s for sure. He is un-backable at 4/7.  Millwards Davy (3) is intriguing.  He hasn’t put a foot wrong yet and I feel we have to take his improvement as bona fide.  He has safely negotiated the run up and first bend from three different boxes now and can run a big race here. He could well be the one to follow Farloe Blitz round and then manage to stay on for a qualifying spot.  Clares Wonder (5) has been running consistently  but seems to prefer the stripes and this box may be a disadvantage.  His sectionals are going backwards too and I’m not convinced about his liking for these bends. I feel he must be left out here in favour of either 4 or 6.  I really do feel we will see a good run from Diegos Flight (4)  from this slot and feel he can make the placings – even though Romany Rouge (6) carries such a threat with his stamina-laden style.
1st  2  Farloe Blitz
2nd  3  Millwards Davy
3rd  4  Diegos Flight


Heat 2.
Both Boyneside Fun (6) and Wotnofizz (5) run bends 1 and 2 similarly – they stay out wide.  They also share similar early pace so who gets the best run is open to question – maybe they both will.  Eden The Kid (4) is the class act in the race and he showed real class to recover from early probs. ( Yolo crossed over him at lid-rise – he also brushed the rails at the first bend and was then hampered ) with some superb back straight pace.  He looks not to have any problems this time with the dog inside him, Making Paper (3), who is not an early speedster, and who did himself run on a bit to make the cut in his own heat.  Evanta Evita (1) has shown guts and determination to improve through every heat and will give them all a race here form the inside box.  She should really lead on the inside and, possibly into the back straight.  If she does she has a mighty chance of qualifying.  Rio Quattro (2) won last time, as he was favourite to do, but should have won by 4 lengths instead of the ½ he did.  A case of the Toomaline Jacks I think.  However, if Evita runs mid. to wide up the back straight again – as she is prone to do – she will open the door to his usual back straight, inside at bend 3, challenge.  If Eden The Kid is upsides at this point – as expected – he is likely to shut the door on the both of them, allowing 5 or 6 to possibly  benefit and run on, round the outside, and  into the places.  I take 6. A fascinating race in prospect.
1st  4  Eden The Kid
2nd  6  Boyneside Fun
3rd  2  Rio Quattro
By:
p_r_e_m_i_e_r__f_a_n_t_a_s_y
When: 15 Jun 15 08:14
Why on earth are you up @ 4.25am worrying about me and referring to me by the silly pet name you've made up??

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By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 15 Jun 15 17:02
You're obviously not quite right.
Who is worried about you?  lmao - you're the one who keeps rising.
As for why I'm up at 4.25 a.m.?   zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 16 Jun 15 20:23
How's this for tomorrow's papers pat, Clouseau?
Heat 1.
Summary:  Evanta Fantasy (1)  would seem not to have too much more to offer than her early pace here, which has the potential to hamper Farloe Blitz (2), as she markedly steps out to the middle after lid-rise.  It is certainly difficult to see her sustain any sort of a run in this particular field, once mastered on the run down.  Farloe Blitz should however appreciate the move into the blue jacket and can certainly out run her, and outmuscle her if needs be, to the bend. We are of course assuming that he can reproduce his recent running after such a short rest period – always dangerous with wickedly fast early pacers.  He looked to draw up a little quickly at the bend after the line so may be a tired dog already – certainly not a long odds on shot here, that’s for sure. He is un-backable at 4/7.  Millwards Davy (3) is intriguing.  He hasn’t put a foot wrong yet and I feel we have to take his improvement as bona fide.  He has safely negotiated the run up and first bend from three different boxes now and can run a big race here. He could well be the one to follow Farloe Blitz round and then manage to stay on for a qualifying spot.  Clares Wonder (5) has been running consistently  but seems to prefer the stripes and this box may be a disadvantage.  His sectionals are going backwards too and I’m not convinced about his liking for these bends. I feel he must be left out here in favour of either 4 or 6.  I really do feel we will see a good run from Diegos Flight (4)  from this slot and feel he can make the placings – even though Romany Rouge (6) carries such a threat with his stamina-laden style.
1st  2  Farloe Blitz
2nd  3  Millwards Davy
3rd  4  Diegos Flight

Now for the next one.  Laugh
By:
wondersobright
When: 16 Jun 15 20:29
you will be able to live off that for at least another 5 years, and sidaz jack for another 3
By:
bbc2
When: 16 Jun 15 20:32
could i have the lottery numbers for saturdayGrinthanks
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 16 Jun 15 20:33
"Enenin stannad", "Spatchy News", "'Mornins papers" - get them here!!!!!
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 16 Jun 15 20:37
Chit - only five from six  I've failed you Pat!   Sad
Heat 2.
Both Boyneside Fun (6) and Wotnofizz (5) run bends 1 and 2 similarly – they stay out wide.  They also share similar early pace so who gets the best run is open to question – maybe they both will.  Eden The Kid (4) is the class act in the race and he showed real class to recover from early probs. ( Yolo crossed over him at lid-rise – he also brushed the rails at the first bend and was then hampered ) with some superb back straight pace.  He looks not to have any problems this time with the dog inside him, Making Paper (3), who is not an early speedster, and who did himself run on a bit to make the cut in his own heat.  Evanta Evita (1) has shown guts and determination to improve through every heat and will give them all a race here form the inside box.  She should really lead on the inside and, possibly into the back straight.  If she does she has a mighty chance of qualifying.  Rio Quattro (2) won last time, as he was favourite to do, but should have won by 4 lengths instead of the ½ he did.  A case of the Toomaline Jacks I think.  However, if Evita runs mid. to wide up the back straight again – as she is prone to do – she will open the door to his usual back straight, inside at bend 3, challenge.  If Eden The Kid is upsides at this point – as expected – he is likely to shut the door on the both of them, allowing 5 or 6 to possibly  benefit and run on, round the outside, and  into the places.  I take 6. A fascinating race in prospect.
1st  4  Eden The Kid
2nd  6  Boyneside Fun
3rd  2  Rio Quattro
By:
LoyalHoncho
When: 16 Jun 15 20:38
Good luck all.  I hate bumming but i think that is point proved.Happy
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